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The war in Iraq was voted on by an overwhelming majority of the U.S.Congress. So if we 'illegally' bombed their country, who's the criminal?
Congress did support it ... but I don't remember them actually issuing a declaration of war.
 
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LizziePooh,353497 wrote :

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And please give it a rest with the illegal war cries. Itis so old and untrue.
I am afraid simply not likeing a government or leader of a sovereign nation is not a legal excuse to invade them and to kill their leaders. We learened this lesson from other regimes that did the same: Hitler comes to mind.


As for getting me to stop telling the truth about the fact that we illegally invaded and killed thousands of innocent men, women, children: it won't happen.


It won't happen at least till you get one of your "people" in position to moderate my posts and have me silenced. Till then I can express my own point of view.
 
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Don't sweat it. Lots of Iraqis are out of work and have nothing better to do but participate in "media" events. Also, some are forced to do these anti-American demosor some are paid by anti-Iraqi elements like Jaysh Al-Mahdi and Al Qaeda in Iraq. It's all about propaganda for OTHER IRAQIS so they'll join the fight against the Coalition and the Iraqi government, which is making much progress. The majority of Iraqis I worked with love Americans and are grateful we're there but understand that it's time to reduce America's presence and influence over there so the Iraqis can assume full control. This is happening now, but it's not very exciting or sexy and the American media and population do not seem to be interested in hearing aboutour (American and Iraqi) jointsuccesses.
 
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GiS, please; I don't think Lizzie has "people" here, in that sense. You seem to believe that there's a group here that is out to silence people: if there is, I have no evidence of it, and I certainly have never seen any reason to believe that this is Lizzie's agenda.
 
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We had no business shocking and awe-ing the Iraqi people. If some of them feel a bit angry at us who can blame them. We smashed up their country. Killed their grand parents, their moms and dads and killed and injured hundreds, probably thousands of their kids.


It is time we get out and for once learn our lessons. We heve no business going around the world smashing up other nations in a bid to export American democracy.
 
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ThePriestess,354219 wrote :

tweet37,353339 wrote :


The war in Iraq was voted on by an overwhelming majority of the U.S.Congress. So if we 'illegally' bombed their country, who's the criminal?


Congress did support it ... but I don't remember them actually issuing a declaration of war.
Firstly, don't take this as my support for Bush or the Iraq war. I served during Viet Nam and friends of mine died orlost fathers and brothers there and I have a real problem with our guys dieing for someone else's cause, which is what Iraq is.


They didn't need to 'declare war'. It was a resumption of the 1991 action due to non-compliance with the original cease fire agreement and non-compliance with U.N. resolutions. That was enough.


The problems are: 1.The U.N. has the spine of a jellyfish; we shouldn't have to have gone alone. 2. Someone either fabricated unneccessary WMD 'evidence' in order to gain support or just blew the call. 3. There was probably a personal vendetta by Little Bush for the plot by Hussein to knock off Big Bush. 4. We never finished Iraq off the first time in 1991.


But that's all history now. What's the answer for what's next?
 
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tweet37,354421 wrote :

They didn't need to 'declare war'. It was a resumption of the 1991 action due to non-compliance with the original cease fire agreement and non-compliance with U.N. resolutions. That was enough.
"Technically" we didn't declare war in 1991 either =)
 
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ThePriestess,354428 wrote :

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They didn't need to 'declare war'. It was a resumption of the 1991 action due to non-compliance with the original cease fire agreement and non-compliance with U.N. resolutions. That was enough.


"Technically" we didn't declare war in 1991 either =)
I agree. But it was the world vs Iraq and it was virtually unanimousthat it wasjustified. This time theUN pu$$ied out, IMO. We shouldn't have gone it alone. (Oh yeah, I forgot Poland had a few troops there).
 
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But that's all history now. What's the answer for what's next?
We need to stop thinking we have the right to bomb others into agreeing with us. We need to stop thinking we can influence the Muslim world by killing a bunch of Muslims. We need to accept that as powerful as we may think we are we do not have enough money or military might to control events in the Middle East by pure force. We need to stop acting unilaterally and use our strength with the rest of the world to help make a better world. And above all else let's get out of the business of building nations. It is way too expensive and it is one of the reasons why today we are teetering on the edge of being a have not country.
 
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graceventually,354353 wrote :

GiS, please; I don't think Lizzie has "people" here, in that sense. You seem to believe that there's a group here that is out to silence people: if there is, I have no evidence of it, and I certainly have never seen any reason to believe that this is Lizzie's agenda.
And you very well might be right.


But I am still not about to stop stating what is widely agreed around the world and that is that we illegally invaded a sovereign country and are directly responsible for the deaths of many innocent lives.


We all need to wake up and realize that what we did in Iraq was not only illegal it was immoral and unethical.
 
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