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VictoriaJ is offline VictoriaJ Post #1  November 19,2008, 8:10pm
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Hi everyone,


I've started a new thread here to respond to questions from ScottK that he originally posted under the "Dating" section.


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Lame.


As I mentioned in a different thread, at least Prop 8 passed. Sanity prevails at least for the time being.


So, do you all believe a Church should be forced to marry gay couples as well, even if said church believes its absolutely wrong?


BTW, if its okay for 2 guys, or 2 girls to get married, why is it not okay for a guy to have multiple wives?
 
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VictoriaJ, wrote :


... So, do you all believe a Church should be forced to marry gay couples as well, even if said church believes its absolutely wrong?...


DISCLAIMER: The above quote is from ScottK, not VictoriaJ, who merely quoted him.


No, I don't. A wedding (resulting in a marriage) is fundamentally a religious ceremony, and I believe that a church should be allowed to follow their own precepts.


You'll note that this also means that I believe aparticular church should be able to decide whether it's okay for their ministers/priests/whatever to marry same-sex couples, and that they should be allowed to do so if that's what that particular church as a group decides.


Personally, I think it's high time that the government get out of the marriage business. All the State should confine itself, IMHO, is "Civil Unions", which would bind two people (regardless of gender-preference or even romantic involvement) in terms of taxes, property laws, etc.


'Marriage', asa religious ceremony, should be left up to the religions to decide, in my point of view.
 
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Darn, I couldn't find a way to quote ScottK properly, and now in GP's quote, it looks like I said what Scott said! I hope people won't conflate my position with Scott's...
 
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VictoriaJ,351248 wrote :

Darn, I couldn't find a way to quote ScottK properly, and now in GP's quote, it looks like I said what Scott said! I hope people won't conflate my position with Scott's...
Not anymore. ;-)
 
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VictoriaJ, wrote :

So, do you all believe a Church should be forced to marry gay couples as well, even if said church believes its absolutely wrong?
I look forward to the day when most, if not all, churches will be happy to marry same-sex couples.


Until that far-off day, I support the system we have in my corner of the world: the state, bound by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, marries any two consenting, committed adults, regardless of sex. Churches do what they feel is right. This means that while some churches, such as the United and some Anglican churches, happily marry same-sex couples, most institutions of worship do not. Personally, I do not agree with this, but given that the issue of same-sex marriage is split roughly 50-50 in my country, this seems like a good political compromise.
 
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I think those churches who wish to marry same sex couples should have the right to do so and those that don't should have the same rights. I think same sex couples should be able to marry in civil services and that it need not be called anything differently.


Should a man or woman be allowed more than one partner? Yes. Most Americans already have multiple wives or husbands. They just spread it out.


If the people involved are adults it is their business and only their business who they marry or how many they choose to marry. I recognize the various states have some interest in how the property and kids would be divided in the even the marriage fails. But beyond refereeing these sorts of things the State should keep out of the marriage business.
 
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BTW, if its okay for 2 guys, or 2 girls to get married, why is it not okay for a guy to have multiple wives?
Legalizing same-sex marriage in no way implies that polygamy or polyandry should be legalized.


Marriage is a committment to one other person, to be their "partner" in life. True partnerships are equal. One person cannot make an equal committment to multiple spouses. And anyone who is one of many spouses, but is vowed only to the patriarch (or, theoretically, the matriarch), is not an equal partner in that relationship.


A marriage is a unique committment, 1-to-1.
 
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I tend to think that polygamy or polyandry tend to become their own punishments. ;-)
 
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VictoriaJ,351324 wrote :

VictoriaJ, wrote :


BTW, if its okay for 2 guys, or 2 girls to get married, why is it not okay for a guy to have multiple wives?


Legalizing same-sex marriage in no way implies that polygamy or polyandry should be legalized.


Marriage is a committment to one other person, to be their "partner" in life. True partnerships are equal. One person cannot make an equal committment to multiple spouses. And anyone who is one of many spouses, but is vowed only to the patriarch (or, theoretically, the matriarch), is not an equal partner in that relationship.


A marriage is a unique committment, 1-to-1.
What we mean by marriage has over the centuries changed many times. Marriage is pretty much whatever society deems it to be. I am not going to get into any debates over God made marriage so it must always be ______________.


In some societies polygamy has been the norm. In others it isn't. But one can never say never when it comes to marriage.
 
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Glider_Pilot,351349 wrote :

I tend to think that polygamy or polyandry tend to become their own punishments. ;-)
Lol, Mae West once said: "Polyandry is having one too many husbands. Monogamy is the same thing."
 
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