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jamesp81 wrote :


But after that, they started behaving more and more like democrats with their big spending ways, and they also abandoned the principles of small government to political expediency. The GOP knows how to lead a loyal opposition, but they're nearly clueless on what to do with a majorty when they get one.


Big spending ways? I couldn't agree more! Thank GOD we aren't living under Clinton's economy! All them Jobs and not to mention the stock market, and what's up with that SURPLUS budget we had? PHEW, that would just be horrible!


But then again, I'm no economy expert.
- November 6th, 2008, 10:37 am
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Since I am no socialist Republican I am not in favor of any more of our money going to bailout the wealthy elites. I know, I know they are truly suffering and some of them may even lose thier bonus this christmas, but too bad. This is supposedly a capitalist society, a socieity of the rugged inidividual let em sink, let em go broke, let em pay and pay big time for theiir own greed and stupidity.


We may now see an end to republican welfare for the wealthy. Now we will probably be treated to democrat welfare for the poor. And this is political progress!!! Quelle change,eh?


No matter which party is in control, both believe they have the right to redistribute wealth they did not produce for the benefit of their friends. Whether it is welfare for the wealthy or poor, it is still a redistribution of what is in effect stolen money (i think the code for this stolen money is income tax).


- November 6th, 2008, 10:47 am
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I don't care what anybody says, as long as I " get to cling to my gun toting, religous, redneck ways" Quote Obama. We shall see which hand basket all of us will be floating down the river in four years from now.
I don't see the dems doing the gun control thing any more. Every time it's been tried, it's been electoral disaster for the left. Americans like the fact that the government constantly has to be somewhat fearful of the everyman because he is armed, and Americans won't surrender that. I mean, I dunno, Obama might try some gun control legislation, but there will be a fearsome price to be paid for that two years from now during the mid term elections. In 1994, after the enaction of the Brady Bill, my congressional district ousted it's democratic representative in favor of a republican (who we still have). It was the first time my particular county had voted greater than 50% for a republican representative since 1860 or so. People around here were so livid about that that even the yellow dog democrats voted republican.


I shall continue to cling to my guns and religion. Obama will not and cannot change that.
- November 6th, 2008, 10:53 am
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While the vast majority of employees make more than minimum wage, many work in industries where there pay is based on this level ... this is especially true for retail.


As NearDC stated, the real value associated with the federal minimum wage only a couple years ago was approximately 50% the value at the end of the 70s.


Where employees paid too much then, or too little now?
- November 6th, 2008, 10:54 am
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People need to get over this. Obama won . World history has been made . Everything is fine. The world is not going to be a worse place for America, but a better one (hopefully).


He's raising the minimum wage anyway (a little more than McCain was willing), so why are people complaining? You will get more money because of this man :P


An increase in min wage has a huge impact. It's pretty selfish and niave to think that you will be making more money on this wage, when in fact, once min wage goes up, so does the costs of producing that good. Which is then turned back on the consumer. On top of the tax increases that will most certainly hurt small business, now your suggesting that the min wage increase is a good thing? What was the tax limit 250K, no wait they really meant 200K, no no no, 150K, wait for it.. 125K. Less than half of what was originally said. Every good lie is at least 10% truth.


Your analysis of what minimum wage hikes does is correct. You might be making more, but the price of what you're buying is higher, so if you make minimum wage it's a wash. You're no better off then before. But the increase in price of consumer goods hurts everyone else. I would add to your analysis that the people who are hurt the most by minimum wage hikes are those that are making just above minimum wage.
- November 6th, 2008, 10:55 am
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Since I am no socialist Republican I am not in favor of any more of our money going to bailout the wealthy elites. I know, I know they are truly suffering and some of them may even lose thier bonus this christmas, but too bad. This is supposedly a capitalist society, a socieity of the rugged inidividual let em sink, let em go broke, let em pay and pay big time for theiir own greed and stupidity.


We may now see an end to republican welfare for the wealthy. Now we will probably be treated to democrat welfare for the poor. And this is political progress!!! Quelle change,eh?


No matter which party is in control, both believe they have the right to redistribute wealth they did not produce for the benefit of their friends. Whether it is welfare for the wealthy or poor, it is still a redistribution of what is in effect stolen money (i think the code for this stolen money is income tax).





Sadly there's a lot of truth in that. I had a post above about the GOP losing because it went the way of Big Spending. The GOP lost because they forgot that they were elected to not do that. They have reaped what they sowed, and while I loathe Obama's brand of socialism, I pretty well loathed the republican brand of it too. I'm hoping this will force the GOP to act like small government conservatives, which they haven't been since around '96 or so.


As for the stolen money bit. I've got a personal saying. If I take a man's money while he's not looking, it's stealing. If I point a gun in his face and take it by force it's armed robbery. If I point a gun in his face, take his money, and then wave my IRS badge, it's taxes.
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Your analysis of what minimum wage hikes does is correct. You might be making more, but the price of what you're buying is higher, so if you make minimum wage it's a wash. You're no better off then before. But the increase in price of consumer goods hurts everyone else. I would add to your analysis that the people who are hurt the most by minimum wage hikes are those that are making just above minimum wage.
The use of the term "hike" is very misleading. If minimum wages do not increase with inflation, then minimum wages are "technically" decreasing. Has this continual decrease kept prices low?


If increasing minimum wages hurts us ... would decreasing minimum wages (and by not keeping them in check with inflation, we technically are decreasing them) help us? If we lower the cost of employment, businesses will pass on the decreased cost to us, right?
- November 6th, 2008, 12:26 pm
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Your analysis of what minimum wage hikes does is correct. You might be making more, but the price of what you're buying is higher, so if you make minimum wage it's a wash. You're no better off then before. But the increase in price of consumer goods hurts everyone else. I would add to your analysis that the people who are hurt the most by minimum wage hikes are those that are making just above minimum wage.


The use of the term "hike" is very misleading. If minimum wages do not increase with inflation, then minimum wages are "technically" decreasing. Has this continual decrease kept prices low?


If increasing minimum wages hurts us ... would decreasing minimum wages (and by not keeping them in check with inflation, we technically are decreasing them) help us? If we lower the cost of employment, businesses will pass on the decreased cost to us, right?
They would pass on decreased costs. Maybe not immediately, but it would happen. Initially most companies would probably try to pocket the extra money. This would last until a smaller company decided it wanted to increase its market share at the expense of its larger competitors and started passing along the decreased labor cost to its consumers.
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They would pass on decreased costs. Maybe not immediately, but it would happen. Initially most companies would probably try to pocket the extra money. This would last until a smaller company decided it wanted to increase its market share at the expense of its larger competitors and started passing along the decreased labor cost to its consumers.
And did we see this effect significantly during the 36 year period from 1970 through 2006 when minimum wages were reduced to half their value (adjusted for inflation)?
- November 6th, 2008, 01:40 pm
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An interesting note:


Every Republican President since Nixon has spent more than the incoming revenue.
Every Democrat President since Johnson has spent less than the incoming revenue.


There is nothing to the belief that Democrats are big spenders and Republicans are more fiscally responsible. In truth, the opposite is true.


I would post the statistics regarding these facts but my post would be moderated (and has) so if you disbelieve this information please don't bother telling me, just do the research.
- November 6th, 2008, 01:58 pm
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