Has music really changed that much?


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Diana_P is offline Diana_P Post #1  May 21,2011, 4:24pm
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A lot of people talk about how sexual and explicit music and lyrics have become but has music really changed that much?

I was only 2 years old on back in 79 when Crystal Gayle released the hit song Half the Way. It’s my Mom’s favorite song and she still plays it on the gramophone (just kidding, I mean record player) today. She wore the grooves out on that song and as many times as I have heard it growing up I never really knew what it was about until I was an adult. The song is really pretty and Crystal has a great voice, but you have to listen to the lyrics closely to know what she is actually singing about.

Today artist don’t beat around the bush or try to hide sexuality in the poetry of the lyrics they just come straight out and say it. Of course some go to extremes and are just out right vulgar, but my point is that sexuality whether overt or poetic has always been a part of Pop Music.

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The content may not have changed that much but the medium sure has.

How many of us actually thought we’d see CD’s being phased out? I’m not really that comfortable with my precious music collection only being stored on my hard drive and MP3 player, LOL. I laugh at my Mom for having such a massive collection of Country music on vinyl, but there is something loveable about the photo quality images on the front of the cover and the notes on back. I know the audio quality is not supposed to be as good, but it seemed like you got more for your money. Not just the product, but the whole experience of going to the record store and picking out your album on vinyl or CD. Now it is all point and click online - - I guess it is good for the music companies because you can sure rack up a bill fast! The thing is after my PC is done downloading I don’t really feel like I got anything.
 
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My vote is yes it has changed, you can understand what she says, not just a dirty word shouted over and over and the rest some slurring grunting. While there are double meanings to many things in life, good music is about bringing warm feeling and thoughts into your life. What kind of warm enjoyment comes from hearing the f word shouted over and over or any other hate inspired lyrics or those that praise drugs and theft as a way of life?
 
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Diana_P wrote :
How many of us actually thought we’d see CD’s being phased out? I’m not really that comfortable with my precious music collection only being stored on my hard drive and MP3 player, LOL.


Imagine how us 'old timers' felt when CD's almost killed off our precious vinyl collections. Once the technology that made CD's possible became reality, it was really only a matter of time before that same tech would evolve to make CD's obsolete.

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I laugh at my Mom for having such a massive collection of Country music on vinyl, but there is something loveable about the photo quality images on the front of the cover and the notes on back. I know the audio quality is not supposed to be as good, but it seemed like you got more for your money.


The album for LP's was fantastic and was one of the reasons I loved it. As for the audio quality, vinyl is actually better because it's analog and not a digital facsimile. The sound we hear, be it instruments or anything else in the natural world, is an analog phenomenon and arrives at our ears as an analog signal. Vinyl and analog tape recording devices capture and reproduce sound in its original analog format. I won't get into the long winded reasons why that all happens, but analog mediums are "warmer" to most people's ears. Early digital recordings were two dimensional, harsh, cold and sterile. That's largely because early digital recording systems left much to be desired.

Digital recording systems have improved much over the years and can produce results that are indeed quite good but a lot of care has to go into the actual recording and mastering process used to create those results.

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Not just the product, but the whole experience of going to the record store and picking out your album on vinyl or CD. Now it is all point and click online - - I guess it is good for the music companies because you can sure rack up a bill fast! The thing is after my PC is done downloading I don’t really feel like I got anything.
I'm a dedicated hater of iTunes....can't stand it. While I do have an iPod (GF insisted on getting me one), I rip my MP3's myself at the highest possible bitrate and only use iTunes to get them onto the iPod. I still buy CD's both in stores and online and am even considering updating my old turntable so I can enjoy my LP's again.

As for the content of music these days, I'm inclined to agree. There's always been suggestive lyrical content in music but I personally find no cleverness or artistry in the blatant use of profanity or themes of hatred or bigotry in much of today's popular music.
 
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I don't think it's so much lyrical content, but rather, sociological conditions have changed. If you listen to mainstream music nowadays, it's a lot less provocative than it once was, largely because nothing is all that shocking anymore. Today's mainstream music is more focused on melodies and beats anyways, rather than actual lyrical content, with the large integration of EDM in popular music today.
 
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Diana_P wrote :
...I was only 2 years old on back in 79 .......


Okay, now you've gone and made me feel old! I graduated high school in '79.

Diana_P wrote :
Of course some go to extremes and are just out right vulgar, but my point is that sexuality whether overt or poetic has always been a part of Pop Music.

Yea? Nay? What say you?
When I grew up, there were songs like "Chevy Van" (about picking up a hitchhiker and having sex with her), "Oh What A Night" (about losing your virginity), and Meatloaf's "Paradise By The Dashboard Lights" ("Ain't no doubt about it, we were doubly blessed... we were barely 17 and we were barely dressed!")

Those were the mild ones. As a punk rock fan I distinctly remember the Dead Kennedys singing "Or gas-m Addict" (he's always at it...)

We also had the songs that glorified drug use, that don't seem as prevalent today. "One Toke Over the Line," "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds," and of course "Cocaine." Some of today's songs might mention getting "high" in passing, but it's not the whole point of the song.

Yes, today's music throws in more f-bombs than past generations. But I really like the song "Forget You," even after I heard my daughter playing the "real" verson of it. (For a good laugh, look up the William Shatner cover of that song on YouTube.) Same with "I'm Going to Love You Tonight" (I'll admit the "real" version of that one bothers me a bit more). Rianna's "S&M" song is really catchy, but I heard the refrain "sticks and stones may break my bones but chains and whips excite me!" back in junior high school.

Every generation has wanted to "one up" the previous one for shock value. Waltzing was once considered scandalous because the dancers (gasp!) touched each other! Yes, things are more accepted in music (and dancing) now than they used to be. But overall, I think it's a lot of "the more things change, the more they stay the same."
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> "I'm Going to Love You Tonight"

The radio always plays the PC version. The real version disturbed me the first time it came across on Pandora. I was like, what?!
 
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Today's mainstream music is more focused on melodies and beats anyways, rather than actual lyrical content,
The top two songs on the Billboard Radio Top 100 are "Rolling in the Deep" by Adele and "ET" by Katy Perry. It's hard to deny that the lyrical content is important to those songs. Not every song is a rock ballad, but there are many, many songs on the charts with meaningful lyrics.

True, nothing so subtle as the old days. Artists today come right out and 'say it right, say it all'. Rihanna doesn't mince words about being unfaithful. Perri pours the totality of her anguish and joy into her music.

(And speaking of artistry, check out the choreography in the official Christina Perri "Jar of Hearts" video. The visual matters these days, too!)
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Wonderwoman402 wrote :
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Okay, now you've gone and made me feel old! I graduated high school in '79.
Yes, but you are still a part of Gen X like me and I think the music of the 80's and 90's is way bettter than most of what's out there today. I love the Classic Rock of the 70's and 80's! Do artist really play real instruments anymore or is all music made virtually on peoples computers now?
 
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shapeShifter79 wrote :
(And speaking of artistry, check out the choreography in the official Christina Perri "Jar of Hearts" video. The visual matters these days, too!)
I like Christina Perri a lot better than I late Katey Perry. And let's not get started on Lady Ga Ga!
 
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