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technokat is offline technokat Post #1  May 31,2008, 10:33am
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Not sure if there are any funk and soul lovers out there, but I was thinking about this so feel free to chime in.


Does anyone else think that Otis Redding would have been THE man instead of James Brown if Redding hadn't died so young ? Redding used the Bar-Kays as his back-up band at one time, and I have to say, they rivaled any of the bands that JB used. AND Otis could get down with the best of 'em.


I think Otis paved the way for those who came after him which to me makes him the original godfather of soul. [img]library/editor/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-cool.gif[/img]
 
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Hi, Technokat,


Loving practicallyevery genre of music as I do, of course I love funk and soul! Singers and groupsof this genre who come to mind for me, in addition to JamesBrownand Otis Redding, of course, are Sam Cooke, Little Richard, Parliament Funkadelic, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Rick James, Aretha Franklin, Wilson Pickett, Mavis Staples, among many others. These are some ofthe singers I have grown up with and listened to most of my life.


When Iwas about 10 years old, James Brown had already established himself. The first song of his that really caught my attention was "Try Me", a plaintive and soulful tune that was popular on the chartsfor a long time. I enjoyed everything he sang thereafter, which were more upbeatsongs.


Otis Redding's career grew shortly afterwards. Althoughhis repretoire containedupbeat as well as soulful ballads, his songwriting and singing was more of the latter at the time of his death. He will always have a special place in my memory as one of the most soulfully unique singers ofhis time. There will never be another Otis. And there will never be another James Brown.


It is my opinion that both Otis and James wouldhaveco-existed peacefully in their own right had they extensivelyshared the spotlight during the sameperiod.


James Brown was considered more of an entertainer, whereas Otis was definitely a soul singer.


As an entertainer, James Brown's performances consists of singing, dancing and even theatrical "staging", where band members came forward to wipe the sweat off his brow or in the case of the song, "Please, Please,Please" - assist him off the stage as he was so overcome with lovelornemotion.It was also such touches as his use of the sound, "Uh, uh, uh" thatenhanced his trademark performances.His hairdo, style of dress, fancy footwork and overall persona contributed tothe branding of the name "Godfather of Soul."None of this minimized the fact that he had a good band. As did Otis.


To my knowledge,the Bar-Kays were Otis' band at the time of his death.Yes, they were a good band, but I think that, had he lived, Otis would have developed his reputation as an outstanding soul singer. And James Brown would have remained Godfather of Soul and a great entertainer.
 
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One of the funniest moments on SNL was when Eddie Murphy was doing his best JB and members of the band ran up to him as he slunk to the floor to put a cape over him.

Otis was "soul" personified. JB was drama personified. I've heard stories that he would walk up to horn players on stage during live performances and dock their pays each time he heard a wrong note. "That's ten bucks..." Unbelievable.

Otis had his own version of the funky "uh, uh, uh" in many of his songs. And while he didn't engage in the theatrics, he didn't have to since his personality shown through in his singing. He was sly, wistful, charming, crazy--he had it all, and a prolific recording career to boot. All this and he dies young. I can't imagine what the man would have produced had he lived.

JB could sing nonsense and make it funky. Otis was pure heart and soul. Why then, would we not give him the title of Godfather of Soul and JB something more suitable for him? One of his other titles, “The hardest-working man in show business,” was absolutely perfect for him.
 
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wow--what a fantastic topic!

i have to say, i love them both and both "try me" & "i don't mind" by JB are a couple of my very favorite songs...but otis all the way.

no doubt about it.

his music hits the very center of me--i mean, i can't even think about someone i almost, maybe, probably could be interested in while i listen to otis or by the end of the record i am convinced i love them, i need them, i can't do my life without them.

that's some pretty powerful mojo.
 
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I still think that Otis could have been the man if he lived. Mojo indeed.
 
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technokat, wrote :

Not sure if there are any funk and soul lovers out there, but I was thinking about this so feel free to chime in.


Does anyone else think that Otis Redding would have been THE man instead of James Brown if Redding hadn't died so young ? Redding used the Bar-Kays as his back-up band at one time, and I have to say, they rivaled any of the bands that JB used. AND Otis could get down with the best of 'em.


I think Otis paved the way for those who came after him which to me makes him the original godfather of soul. [img]library/editor/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-cool.gif[/img]
For me, Sam Cooke is the one who paved the way for greats like Otis, and Al Green.


James, in my opinion, created Funk and paved the way for others in that Genre.


Otis was a legend, no doubt, but i would have to give my vote for Sam Cooke as the true godfather of real Soul music. I've heard soul artists say the same in different clips. He left before he really got started in what we would call Soul. For example, I would call bring it on home a greatamong soul songs.


On the band note, did Bootsy Collins play bass forJames or George Clintion?
 
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Singsforhim,195066 wrote :

technokat, wrote :


Not sure if there are any funk and soul lovers out there, but I was thinking about this so feel free to chime in.


Does anyone else think that Otis Redding would have been THE man instead of James Brown if Redding hadn't died so young ? Redding used the Bar-Kays as his back-up band at one time, and I have to say, they rivaled any of the bands that JB used. AND Otis could get down with the best of 'em.


I think Otis paved the way for those who came after him which to me makes him the original godfather of soul. [img]library/editor/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-cool.gif[/img]


For me, Sam Cooke is the one who paved the way for greats like Otis, and Al Green.


James, in my opinion, created Funk and paved the way for others in that Genre.


Otis was a legend, no doubt, but i would have to give my vote for Sam Cooke as the true godfather of real Soul music. I've heard soul artists say the same in different clips. He left before he really got started in what we would call Soul. For example, I would call bring it on home a greatamong soul songs.


On the band note, did Bootsy Collins play bass forJames or George Clintion?
I'm not sure about this one, but I think he played with George Clinton.
 
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I gotta give my vote to Otis
 
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You know, I would have to give O the vote for raw soul music, too! No one could be as passionate about it, that's for sure as far as performing it goes. Seems like i've read where Sam preceeded them inputting the gospel and bluessounds together to createthe foundation for soul. What one means by godfather of soul I don't know but i like to think Sam created it. If yall get a chance to see or get the"Sam Cooke Legend" video special by PBS, it's where i came to this opinion..Sam created it, Otis embodied it, JB was titled with itin my humble opinion. I'm still a student. That's kind of like "Who started RocknRoll?" We allknowwhere that could go.
 
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scorpio,199442 wrote :

Singsforhim,195066 wrote :


technokat, wrote :


Not sure if there are any funk and soul lovers out there, but I was thinking about this so feel free to chime in.


Does anyone else think that Otis Redding would have been THE man instead of James Brown if Redding hadn't died so young ? Redding used the Bar-Kays as his back-up band at one time, and I have to say, they rivaled any of the bands that JB used. AND Otis could get down with the best of 'em.


I think Otis paved the way for those who came after him which to me makes him the original godfather of soul. [img]library/editor/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-cool.gif[/img]


For me, Sam Cooke is the one who paved the way for greats like Otis, and Al Green.


James, in my opinion, created Funk and paved the way for others in that Genre.


Otis was a legend, no doubt, but i would have to give my vote for Sam Cooke as the true godfather of real Soul music. I've heard soul artists say the same in different clips. He left before he really got started in what we would call Soul. For example, I would call bring it on home a greatamong soul songs.


On the band note, did Bootsy Collins play bass forJames or George Clintion?


I'm not sure about this one, but I think he played with George Clinton.
Hi Scorpio,


I left a note in your mailbox..I'm still catching on to this stuff!


Thanks!
 
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