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eHA_Admin_Lori is offline eHA_Admin_Lori — Advice Official Moderator Post #1  November 16,2009, 6:01pm
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.....well, read it for yourself:

Vampires as Gay Men - New Moon's Homosexual Vampire Connection - Esquire

Do you agree with this theory? Why or why not?
 
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That was interesting reading, if nothing else. I've never understood the vampire craze, but the author's rendering of vampire popularity through history is well done. I'm not sure I agree with the thesis that young girls are longing to have sex with homosexual men/teenage boys, but then I haven't sat down with a group of fifteen year old girls and asked them what drives them to see the movies and read the books, nor have I read the books or watched the movies myself, so I'm probably speaking from a place of ignorance on that one. In any event, I hardly think the majority of these girls would admit to sharing the fantasy the author of the article applies to them. Hard to say without asking them, though. Perhaps that's why I'm not accepting the article's thesis wholesale. Did the author go out and talk to young girls? Does he have any statistics to back up his claims? Is there documented evidence of a rising interest in gay-straight sex among young girls outside of the vampire genre that can bolster or confirm the assertions in this article?

I also wonder about his assessment of modern Christianity and its current descent into what he terms 'sexual freakiness.' There's not a lot of that sort of thing going on in Canada as far as I know, although I realize the article is speaking to developments in the United States. However, given the fact that Canada is right next door to the U.S. and has often been affected by developments there in the past, one would expect that changes on this issue to the south would eventually filter up and across the border. I would be interested to see what kind of statistical analyses the author used, if any, or if he simply cherry-picked a few sensational quotes or events and then used them to make a huge generalization. Did he go to some of the smaller churches in smaller centres, or did he rely on the words of some well-known Christian eccentrics who often wind up in the headlines? The squeaky wheel gets the grease, as they say, but it doesn't mean that the wheel doing the squeaking is representative of all the other wheels. Unfortunately the quiet wheels, or people, are often the silent majority that gets ignored.

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Pshaw. I don't see the connection myself. Younger people in general are more accepting of gays and weirdness (vampires, included) than us older folks, but I don't think straight females are really fawning all over gay guys.

That said... I just saw New Moon last weekend with my teenage daughter. She's read all the books. I went to the first movie with her. I wouldn't suggest seeing New Moon unless you've already seen Twilight. I don't think it would make sense.

That Bella chick... can she have any worse luck in picking guys? First boyfriend is a vampire, and second one turns out to be a werewolf?!? Really? And then she chooses sickly, pale, moody, sparkly vampire guy over HOT, buff, Indian-tan-skinned werewolf guy?!? At least werewolf guy doesn't have enemies who want to kill her!

My favorite line in the movie was when werewolf guy (Jake) introduced Bella to his other werewolf guy friends and one said "Jake said she was good with weird!" Yeah... understatement!

Still, I enjoyed the movie and would like to see the next one. However, if my daughter wasn't into it and didn't want to go I probably never would have seen it on my own.
 
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As a straight female, (not so young) I have NO desire to have sex with a gay man. Vampire or not.
 
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lol, I just noticed the typo in my thread title and changed "moves" to "movies". Silly fingers of mine!

Frankly, I've never seen the appeal of these movies or books. But, the guy characters in them are generally very attractive guys, period -- independent of any assignation of sexuality, I mean -- so I think that probably has more to do with it than anything else! That and the fact that I'm told the books are well-written page-turners, so I'm sure a large portion of the audience just wants to see how the movies are compared to the books.
 
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I think it's a stretch. It's an interesting idea, but I share Lindsey's concerns about methodology. If there's any connection, I think it's more that the current cultural representation of vampires draws on the same "outgroup" experience that gays and lesbians (and any other group that lives on the fringes in society) experiences, and maybe draws on some of the imagery because vampires have always been about whether or not to give in to uncontrollable urges that might not always be "socially acceptable" - the tie with sex in general has always been there.

eta: The books aren't especially well-written, but they *are* page-turners...

The argument that vampire stories become popular during periods of sexual revolution is an interesting enough argument on its own, without tossing in the idea that young women want to have sex with gay men.

I've read all of the Twilight books, and saw the first movie (seriously, don't bother; read the first book if you want to get a sense of it). What disturbs me most about the whole thing us that Bella, by the end of the first book, is totally willing to leave everything in her life behind her, at the age of 17, for a man (he's only 17 physically) that, in his own way, is very controlling. I'm more concerned about young girls obsessing on these books for that reason than I am for the ones cited in this article.
 
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This is a ridiculous theory. The books are a great read if poorly written like Faira said. I admit, I'm a total Twilight chick... AND I think Jake is hot and if that makes me a peodophile then so be it. However, if you actually read the books, the vampire is not repulsed by her, he wants her so bad he wants to literally EAT her.. drink her blood whatever. It's very sexual if not overtly with great tension etc..

The first movie was terrible, but New Moon was much better if nothing more for the boy candy.
 
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From what I've seen in the movies (yes, I saw them; no, it wasn't by choice) they play more toward the adolescent feelings of isolation from the world around them. Bella has recently moved to a small town she has not visited since she was a child, she is an outsider and the two men who fall in love with her are also outsiders. Bella and the two men are what every adolescent belives themselves to be, worldweary, all-knowing, neigh-immortal people who are exceptional in everyway but who are tragically misunderstood by those around them. The two men in the stories are almost iresistably drawn towards Bella, but are unable to consummate the relationship for fear of harming her. For a young woman during puberty the fear of the aggressive nature of sex and the experience of predatory young men around her are almost constants. Bella wants to join with these vampires, all of them much older than her, who live in a world that she doesn't understand yet but that she is begining to fathom. Life is full of transitions from one group to another, but the one that is the greatest shock to our system is that of childhood to adulthood. This is what high school society and interaction is all about! The books and movies are more about isolation, longing, fear of change, fear of sexual awakening, fear of emotions, fear of abandonment, belief in oneself, and eyecandy than any claptrap about women wanting to sleep with gay men.
 
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I have no idea if I would like Twilight.

I do like most vampire/werewolf/gothic type stories.

Blade, Underworld, Angel...etc.

I like the darkness & the imagery.

I can't say why young women like it.

My older sister is a huge fan of Blade partially because she has always been a fan of Wesley Snipes.

I absolutely do not buy the gay aspect of the article. Before Twilight I am not sure what other films even brought about any gay images.

Probably has more to do with the mood that the movies present than anything.

Why do women like candlelight?
 
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We love vampires because they are experienced graceful men.

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