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I'll admit that I could have been too dismissive of the challenges that one would face in an inner city/urban environment. I haven't lived in that type of setting, and the places I have lived there have not been those kinds of challenges in even the poorest of neighborhoods. Grocery stores abound everywhere, and there are all kinds of fresh fruit vendors as well as other places which sell the produce that is grown here.

But if we set aside the challenges of the inner city and focus on the rest of the population where healthy choices do exist then we can get back to the basics and realities of our obesity problem. As I've said before I posted in another thread and linked up the program that SafeWay put in place for their employees to reduce costs and reward better lifestyle choices. With financial incentives being offered a lot of workers changed their habits and reduced their weight, cholesterol, etc. and were in better shape. I do believe we need to find similar ways to reward healthy choices. If you are a safe driver then you get rewarded with lower insurance premiums and conversely if you are a higher risk driver then you pay more. I believe that needs to be implemented in our healthcare system to a larger degree.

Tackling obesity in the poorer inner city neighborhoods really needs its own thread.
 
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We really cannot dismiss 'minority obesity' as a marginalised portion of the national problem. Minority patients-ie, Blacks, Latinos, Native Americans-are among the most overweight, and suffer disproportionately from the ill effects of obesity. I suggest you check the US Centres for Disease Control website for the facts regarding this serious national problem.
 
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waltercl wrote :
I'll admit that I could have been too dismissive of the challenges that one would face in an inner city/urban environment. I haven't lived in that type of setting, and the places I have lived there have not been those kinds of challenges in even the poorest of neighborhoods. Grocery stores abound everywhere, and there are all kinds of fresh fruit vendors as well as other places which sell the produce that is grown here.

But if we set aside the challenges of the inner city and focus on the rest of the population where healthy choices do exist then we can get back to the basics and realities of our obesity problem. As I've said before I posted in another thread and linked up the program that SafeWay put in place for their employees to reduce costs and reward better lifestyle choices. With financial incentives being offered a lot of workers changed their habits and reduced their weight, cholesterol, etc. and were in better shape. I do believe we need to find similar ways to reward healthy choices. If you are a safe driver then you get rewarded with lower insurance premiums and conversely if you are a higher risk driver then you pay more. I believe that needs to be implemented in our healthcare system to a larger degree.

Tackling obesity in the poorer inner city neighborhoods really needs its own thread.
Obesity is merely a symptom of a FAR larger societal problem .. if you happened to live in Nigeria, you'd need to be fat to be attractive.. its symptomatic of WEALTH...that you have enough funds for gluttony...and therefore are likely a good provider..
The big problem here is Ignorance... uneducated people are easy to manipulate ..education has little value when profits are more important than people.. the biggest profit in the food industry in made in the proccessing..the changing of REAL food into "food products" ( read Michael Pollan on this) its impossible to think in a discerning manner if constantly bombarded by marketers..which..even IF you don't own a TV is still unavoidable when the "chief buisness" of your country is buisness..(Calvin Coolidge..resurrected by Reagan) .. We really need to take a new approach to life, which centres on AWARENESS... rather than meterialism..
 
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Hmm, seems like another issue where everyone is to blame except for the individual who makes the choices.

In my view that is the real problem. Personal responsibility and accountability have been left by the wayside long ago.
 
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waltercl wrote :
Hmm, seems like another issue where everyone is to blame except for the individual who makes the choices.

In my view that is the real problem. Personal responsibility and accountability have been left by the wayside long ago.
I would say there is rarely just one issue to blame, more like a multitude of causes - environment, genes, nutrition, lifestyle, hormones - each one to a greater or lesser extent depending on the individual.
 
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DreamingOfJustice wrote :
We really cannot dismiss 'minority obesity' as a marginalised portion of the national problem. Minority patients-ie, Blacks, Latinos, Native Americans-are among the most overweight, and suffer disproportionately from the ill effects of obesity. I suggest you check the US Centres for Disease Control website for the facts regarding this serious national problem.
Except perhaps Asians...
 
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I would say there is rarely just one issue to blame, more like a multitude of causes - environment, genes, nutrition, lifestyle, hormones - each one to a greater or lesser extent depending on the individual.
Here's one issue that changed my career when I read it in '62; Google "Population Density and Social Pathology" by Calhoun. Read it. Then you'll know why we're gaining weight.
In the research, he took a bunch of rats; kept them well fed, clean, watered; he just changed their population density - he crowded them together. Want to guess what he discovered?

yep, you guessed it.

Obesity, food hoarding, pack/gang behavior, deviant sexual behavior, child neglect/cannibalism; you name the social abherration, the rats suffered it.

And we're suffering it.

Why? We're growing by over 200,000 more people on the planet every day. Google "population clocks" to check my stats. Until we get this under control, we'll argue to the cows come home about why we're gaining weight but won't fix it until we get THIS growth under control...
[see this; http://www.weight.com/obesity_2001.gif]
 
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