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nancymargrit is offline nancymargrit Post #21  March 3,2009, 3:07pm

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Figures you'd say that coming from the drug subsidy capitol of the world. Your government gets a nice juicy kickback while Americans get hosedFair trade YES, free trade no!


Aleve, advil, ibuprofen do more dammage to your vital organs than drinking alcohol every day.


New England Medical Journal......not my words. In their strength to mask pain, they do more harm.


Drug companies make money folks.......Profit over people.


Yup, drug companies make money. That's why I have a healthy suspicion of their claims. That goes for prescription meds as well as OTC drugs.


You didn't address a single subsatntive issue I raised; you can't discredit the facts I presented simply by saying that my govenrment gets kickbacks. Even if that were true, it would have nothing to do with the effectiveness of vitamin and mineral supplements, and the fact that some people benefit from them.


Yup, advil,ibuprofen, tylenol, etc have side effects. It's one of the reasons I prefer to reduce my use of them by using magnesium, and natural anti-inflammatories like turmeric and ginger.

  1. A good deal of. Holistic, herbal treatments require knowledge & application. Unlike yourself Americans are mostly a lazy i want it right now bunch. Years of being hammered on t.v. by the drug companies have conditioned them. Also, i found some of those ginger root eating people wind up spending more $$$ than theOTC bunch. This is a fact when it comes to eating healthy for sure. I don't, but a big Mac is a lot cheaper than a fresh slice of salmon.


Yes, I agree that proper use of supplements and herbs - like drugs of any kind - requires knowledge. I spent a fair amount of time researching certain vitamins and minerals and looking at it primarily from the persepctive of my own health concerns (though I learned about others in the process).


Your point that people should know the risks as well as the benefits of any OTC meds or supplements they take is valid and important. I also agree that the companies making and marketing the stuff are in it for the money rather than out of altruism.


What I disagree with is your blanket statement that anyone taking vitamins etc. is flushing their money down the toilet. There isa valid use for those - just as there is for your prescription meds when used judiciously.


And yes, it's often cheaper (and easier)in our society to eat junk as opposed to healthy, but that doesn't negate the importance of a healthy diet.


Your comments are a mirror of my own with the exception that the OTC supplements / vitamins in & of themselves are virtually useless unless combined with a reasonable nutritional diet. It is my opinion & one shared by others in the medical profession that the effort far exceeds the rewardin terms of the cost / value/benefit of said product.
I've been studying nutrition and herbal medicine for about 5 years now and I have to agree that supplements are useless unless combined with a proper diet.


In the last six weeks or so, our major evening news station has been focussing on poverty and the cost of buying nutritious food. The station has come up with a figure of $80that most poor people can allot to food every month. I'm not sure where they got this figure from and I haven't been able to verify it anywhere so they may be way out of line with that amount. I'll keep checking to see what I can find.


The point of their story has been that poor people can't afford nutritious food because it's overpriced compared to most junk food. They determined that you can buy twice as much junk foodthan you can nutritious food for $80. There's one not-for-profit organization that opened up last summer that is helping people to purchase nutritious food at a lower cost. They also have cooking classes once or twice per week and encourage people to share their groceries - someone buys the veggies, someone else buys the fruits, someone else buys eggs and milk, etc. When they get together for cooking classes, they pool all their groceries and come up with home cooked meals that everyone can share and take home with them.


I'm getting way off topic here, but it's not always easy to buy nutritious foods just like it's not always possible to buy the meds you need; things are too expensive for some people all the way around.
 
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Barnyard,514146 wrote :

peg099,514061 wrote :


Barnyard,513942 wrote :


peg099,512729 wrote :


Barnyard,510798 wrote :


Figures you'd say that coming from the drug subsidy capitol of the world. Your government gets a nice juicy kickback while Americans get hosedFair trade YES, free trade no!


Aleve, advil, ibuprofen do more dammage to your vital organs than drinking alcohol every day.


New England Medical Journal......not my words. In their strength to mask pain, they do more harm.


Drug companies make money folks.......Profit over people.


Yup, drug companies make money. That's why I have a healthy suspicion of their claims. That goes for prescription meds as well as OTC drugs.


You didn't address a single subsatntive issue I raised; you can't discredit the facts I presented simply by saying that my govenrment gets kickbacks. Even if that were true, it would have nothing to do with the effectiveness of vitamin and mineral supplements, and the fact that some people benefit from them.


Yup, advil,ibuprofen, tylenol, etc have side effects. It's one of the reasons I prefer to reduce my use of them by using magnesium, and natural anti-inflammatories like turmeric and ginger.

  1. A good deal of. Holistic, herbal treatments require knowledge & application. Unlike yourself Americans are mostly a lazy i want it right now bunch. Years of being hammered on t.v. by the drug companies have conditioned them. Also, i found some of those ginger root eating people wind up spending more $$$ than theOTC bunch. This is a fact when it comes to eating healthy for sure. I don't, but a big Mac is a lot cheaper than a fresh slice of salmon.


Yes, I agree that proper use of supplements and herbs - like drugs of any kind - requires knowledge. I spent a fair amount of time researching certain vitamins and minerals and looking at it primarily from the persepctive of my own health concerns (though I learned about others in the process).


Your point that people should know the risks as well as the benefits of any OTC meds or supplements they take is valid and important. I also agree that the companies making and marketing the stuff are in it for the money rather than out of altruism.


What I disagree with is your blanket statement that anyone taking vitamins etc. is flushing their money down the toilet. There isa valid use for those - just as there is for your prescription meds when used judiciously.


And yes, it's often cheaper (and easier)in our society to eat junk as opposed to healthy, but that doesn't negate the importance of a healthy diet.


Your comments are a mirror of my own with the exception that the OTC supplements / vitamins in & of themselves are virtually useless unless combined with a reasonable nutritional diet. It is my opinion & one shared by others in the medical profession that the effort far exceeds the rewardin terms of the cost / value/benefit of said product.
I've been studying nutrition and herbal medicine for about 5 years now and I have to agree that supplements are useless unless combined with a proper diet.


In the last six weeks or so, our major evening news station has been focussing on poverty and the cost of buying nutritious food. The station has come up with a figure of $80that most poor people can allot to food every month. I'm not sure where they got this figure from and I haven't been able to verify it anywhere so they may be way out of line with that amount. I'll keep checking to see what I can find.


The point of their story has been that poor people can't afford nutritious food because it's overpriced compared to most junk food. They determined that you can buy twice as much junk foodthan you can nutritious food for $80. There's one not-for-profit organization that opened up last summer that is helping people to purchase nutritious food at a lower cost. They also have cooking classes once or twice per week and encourage people to share their groceries - someone buys the veggies, someone else buys the fruits, someone else buys eggs and milk, etc. When they get together for cooking classes, they pool all their groceries and come up with home cooked meals that everyone can share and take home with them.


I'm getting way off topic here, but it's not always easy to buy nutritious foods just like it's not always possible to buy the meds you need; things are too expensive for some people all the way around.
 
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Yes, I agree that proper use of supplements and herbs - like drugs of any kind - requires knowledge. I spent a fair amount of time researching certain vitamins and minerals and looking at it primarily from the persepctive of my own health concerns (though I learned about others in the process).


Your point that people should know the risks as well as the benefits of any OTC meds or supplements they take is valid and important. I also agree that the companies making and marketing the stuff are in it for the money rather than out of altruism.


What I disagree with is your blanket statement that anyone taking vitamins etc. is flushing their money down the toilet. There isa valid use for those - just as there is for your prescription meds when used judiciously.


And yes, it's often cheaper (and easier)in our society to eat junk as opposed to healthy, but that doesn't negate the importance of a healthy diet.


Your comments are a mirror of my own with the exception that the OTC supplements / vitamins in & of themselves are virtually useless unless combined with a reasonable nutritional diet. It is my opinion & one shared by others in the medical profession that the effort far exceeds the rewardin terms of the cost / value/benefit of said product.


I agree that a reasonable (I'll even go so far as to say 'healthy') diet is important and not a replacement for supplements. But that doesn't mean that supplements are virtually useless. Pretty much every doctor I know of recommends calcium (which should be taken with magnesium and vitamin D) for women middle aged and up. Yes, you have to have a healthy diet, but people in some age groups, or with specific health concerns do need supplements - not instead of, but in addition to, a healthy diet.


Many in the medical profession underestimate the value of supplements because they have virtually no knowledge in that area. They are targetted by drug companies to prescribe drugs, not vitamins. Their entire training includes less information on nutrition than a dietitian gets in their introductory nutrition course. Just because they lack knowlesge and understanding doesn't mean the supplements aren't valid.


I started researching specific supplements for some specific health concerns. I brought the information I found to my doctor, and combined with reference materials she has available to her, as well as the input of a dietitian and pharmacist in her clinic, she fully supports my current regimen of vitamins, minerals, etc. More importantly, they have helped fix things that more expensive prescription drugs couldn't.


There are some health issues that can be partly treated with vitamins and minerals. There is growing scientific evidence of that. What's worse is that many drugs deplete stores of certain vitamins and minerals, so people on certain drugs actually need more of certain vitamins than they would get from a healthy balanced diet. For example, anti-convulsants deplete vitamin D and K. Many anti-depressants deplete B vitamins and CoQ10. Centrally active hypertensive drugs deplete C0Q10 and zinc. Cholesterol lowering drugs deplete CoQ10. Beta Blockers deplete CoQ10. Some cardiac drugs deplete calcium, magnesium and phosphorous. These are things your doctor probably doesn't know, but a pharmacist or dietitianwill.


Don't rely on doctors to know everything. There's only so much they can cram into their education. Doctors are generalists. They're not up on the latest research on vitamins, minerals, coenzymes, or herbs. What's interesting is that my internist and rheumotoligist know more about supplments than my GP - specifically because they have fewer diseases they need to know about.


The worst part is that these depletions often compound the initial problem - eg. B vitamins are crucial to brain functioning - B6 and B12 (I think those are the correct two) are predecssors to seratonin. So people are put on drugs because they aren't making enough serotonin, and that very drug results in their bodies making less serotonin naturally. Many cardiovascular drugs deplete CoQ10 - a coenzyme linked to heart health. This is soemthing YOU personally should be concered about given your stated medical history. I'm not saying anyone should take supplements willy-nilly. I'm actually strongly opposed to the various multi-level marketing supplement companies out there that won't even tell you exactly what's in them. Take supplements responsibly -based on your personal needs. But when taken responsibly - they do have a value.


But yeah, you really should be knowledgeable. Don't just take your neighbor's word for it. Or the word of someone making money selling the stuff. Do the research yourself, or go to someone who has gone through a recognized rigorous program that has a sound basis in science.
 
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have you heard of the saying get off the pipe
it the same with meds…..
I know it difficult but you can reduce the amounts if not totally by simply getting healthy
I know people who desired such and did eat right allow your body to or give it the chance to heal itself
ease your mind claim the heart
Take a deep breath and move forward….
just ask staples33@live.ca
 
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Telfast - daily anti-histamine (I am allergic to my cats and bizarrely wasn't when I got them!)


Mercyndol - I get both day and night strength, and use it to downgrade my migraine to mild pain. They aren't strong enough to completely relieve the migraine.


Multi-vitamins for women - which I take twice daily. And yes, they work.
 
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Hi,

Personally, I take fish oil tablets everyday because my dad's cardiologist told me that it would be good for my heart. There are lots of vitamins and supplements out there that you could take if you wish to do so. Just be careful that they come from a reliable source. There is a resource available to you at Vitamin D Deficent I hope that this will be helpful to you.

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Why would anyone answer this question? My God.
 
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Why would anyone read a thread they have no interest in? My God.

Occasionally - Excedrin migraine, ibuprofen, aspirin. (Almost daily minor migraines, and middle-aged with some old sports injuries.)

Every day - vitamin/mineral tablet. I have no idea if it's beneficial. I do eat a good diet but am vegan and I gather you can't get B12 from a plant diet. It doesn't cost much in the scheme of things.
 
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Out of curiosity to see who would be willing to share with complete random strangers what kind of drugs they use.
 
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OK that's reasonable.

I'm curious why people take the stuff they do, and also interested in alternatives.
 
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