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Found an article, Times Online, says:

"The number of people who are single has doubled in the past 30 years and the Government predicts that by next year the single-person household will be the most common kind."

Dating can seriously damage your love life - Times Online

A few interesting tidbits include:
- "Yet the more guys that I've met, the harder it's become to know if there's that spark."

- "I have became convinced that the problem lies in dating - an American export not only completely alien to traditional British culture, but also detrimental, in fact, to the process of finding lasting love".

- "but this competitive style of dating encourages us to rate appearance and superficial qualities over personality, even though, ultimately, this is not what makes for a good long-term partnership."

He's basically saying (I think) that as society has become more focused on short term gratifiation that dating has become more 'drive-thru' and we're not willing to invest the time needed to actually get to know someone enough and instead making more significant judgements about less significant traits. ((And I certainly agree with this last part...I cannot ever recall being asked a question on a date that related to personal values.))

So enough said.. does this relate to you, do you see it in society?, is it possible that 'American dating' is just wrong?
 
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Found an article, Times Online, says:

"The number of people who are single has doubled in the past 30 years and the Government predicts that by next year the single-person household will be the most common kind."

Dating can seriously damage your love life - Times Online

A few interesting tidbits include:
- "Yet the more guys that I've met, the harder it's become to know if there's that spark."

- "I have became convinced that the problem lies in dating - an American export not only completely alien to traditional British culture, but also detrimental, in fact, to the process of finding lasting love".

- "but this competitive style of dating encourages us to rate appearance and superficial qualities over personality, even though, ultimately, this is not what makes for a good long-term partnership."

He's basically saying (I think) that as society has become more focused on short term gratifiation that dating has become more 'drive-thru' and we're not willing to invest the time needed to actually get to know someone enough and instead making more significant judgements about less significant traits. ((And I certainly agree with this last part...I cannot ever recall being asked a question on a date that related to personal values.))

So enough said.. does this relate to you, do you see it in society?, is it possible that 'American dating' is just wrong?
Because the amount of divorces have increased and very seldom you see a couple who wants to be together and stay together, this takes a lot of work and effort on both parts, we have become an effortless in every way and in everything, even vacuum cleaners clean by itself. We have gain some and lost some values, specially moral values.

Personally, I have my moral values and it takes prority in my life but it is hard to find someone with this kind of substance therefore I rather stay single, it is a vicious circle. I committed once before and didn't work but that does not mean that I am resentful and don't want to try again, if I find what it is right for me I'll do it again with the same entusiasm as I did before. I cannot pass from one hand to another feeling good about it and I am sure that some of us here feel the same way.
 
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Because the amount of divorces have increased and very seldom you see a couple who wants to be together and stay together, this takes a lot of work and effort on both parts, we have become an effortless in every way and in everything, even vacuum cleaners clean by itself. We have gain some and lost some values, specially moral values.

Personally, I have my moral values and it takes prority in my life but it is hard to find someone with this kind of substance therefore I rather stay single, it is a vicious circle. I committed once before and didn't work but that does not mean that I am resentful and don't want to try again, if I find what it is right for me I'll do it again with the same entusiasm as I did before. I cannot pass from one hand to another feeling good about it and I am sure that some of us here feel the same way.
Yep... I most certainly share that... (I can't say it much better so why try...).
 
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Being divorced or never-married was not socially acceptable 100 years ago. It is now. People who'd rather be single these days feel free to be that way; people are less willing to settle for marrying or staying-married if they're not happy with their mate.

I think 100's of years ago marriage was more of an economic and co-parenting partnership. Nice if you like/love your spouse, but not necessary, and you can always have love on the side.

That changed in more modern times where people want to combine love and economic partnership into one union. Does it work? Maybe, maybe not.

I wonder what effect there will be on children over coming generations, where the "nuclear family" is no longer the norm.
 
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Being divorced or never-married was not socially acceptable 100 years ago. It is now. People who'd rather be single these days feel free to be that way; people are less willing to settle for marrying or staying-married if they're not happy with their mate.

I think 100's of years ago marriage was more of an economic and co-parenting partnership. Nice if you like/love your spouse, but not necessary, and you can always have love on the side.

That changed in more modern times where people want to combine love and economic partnership into one union. Does it work? Maybe, maybe not.

I wonder what effect there will be on children over coming generations, where the "nuclear family" is no longer the norm.
Children do need a sense of "belonging",a father figure as well as the mother, a strong hand as well as a soft one,it is painfull to see that we are loosing this.

A marriage is a partnership after all, when you are with a person that you love and respect you need to give them a feeling of security and trust, a sense that you are going to be there no matter what, that you take the good with the bad no matter what happens. That your mistakes as well as his are O.K.

I hope that you don't feel in modern times that you can change partners as easy as you get a new pair of jeans. If so, where do you belong and to whom?????? This is not from 100 years ago this is now what I am talking about.
 
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A few interesting tidbits include:
- "Yet the more guys that I've met, the harder it's become to know if there's that spark."
This sounds like the story about people who keep finding better and better potential partners.....so they just keep raising their standards more. I don't know if that's the reality or not though.

- "but this competitive style of dating encourages us to rate appearance and superficial qualities over personality, even though, ultimately, this is not what makes for a good long-term partnership."
On my very first date with my current gf I saw several aspects of her that showed some intrinsic qualities. Honesty, keeping a positive attitude in the face of a negative situation, a strong work ethic, a willingness to trust etc. I think these things can come across even in relatively casual meetings.
 
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Children do need a sense of "belonging",a father figure as well as the mother, a strong hand as well as a soft one,it is painfull to see that we are loosing this.

A marriage is a partnership after all, when you are with a person that you love and respect you need to give them a feeling of security and trust, a sense that you are going to be there no matter what, that you take the good with the bad no matter what happens. That your mistakes as well as his are O.K.

I hope that you don't feel in modern times that you can change partners as easy as you get a new pair of jeans. If so, where do you belong and to whom?????? This is not from 100 years ago this is now what I am talking about.
I wasn't really talking about what I think is good or what I want, I was just describing sociological change I think has occurred over the last 500 years or so. Sorry, wasn't clear about that.

I think children definitely need stable homes, with 2 parents, ideally. But maybe back in the long-ago day, when marriage wasn't about Love and divorce was uncommon, marriages were more stable, and kids did have their parents.

Maybe in the year 2110 we will have settled into a new "normal" that looks like the normal of 1610? in that marriage is a partnership rather than a love affair? Except that women will have an equal role in the partnership?

Just speculating, not saying what I think is good or bad.
 
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Seriously-you are reading prejudiced material and asking us to comment on it? The NY Times is LIBERAL and no longer thought of as unprejudiced. Why waste your time drinking polluted water when you can talk about Spring water?

Answer-the Govt. and Big Business WANT more single people. There's more profit in having everyone pay rent, electrical, single serving microwaved "food" etc.

Not to mention the TOTAL destruction of the Middle Class to oppose the terroristic socialist Govt. Thanks to the Gender feminists and int. Bankers. Progress? Duh.

There are other answers, some of which simply are beyond the intellectual capabilities of most brainwashed humans.

Reverse most of what you read in dating articles and you will find the truth! This sadly is true.
QUESTION TO THE OP: the below article, what percentage of it says men are at fault? And what percentage says women are at fault?

Why did you allow the NY Times to brainwash you with the words "dating be bad" in your headline? Most doctors and scientists would reject that simply on the research noted that social animals have lower heartbeats when connected with other social animals.

So bosh to all this anti-gentile material coming from the Jewish NY Times. Even George Bush joined them saying "it's ok spend all your money $. The economy is just fine."


Found an article, Times Online, says:

"The number of people who are single has doubled in the past 30 years and the Government predicts that by next year the single-person household will be the most common kind."

Dating can seriously damage your love life - Times Online

A few interesting tidbits include:
- "Yet the more guys that I've met, the harder it's become to know if there's that spark."

- "I have became convinced that the problem lies in dating - an American export not only completely alien to traditional British culture, but also detrimental, in fact, to the process of finding lasting love".

- "but this competitive style of dating encourages us to rate appearance and superficial qualities over personality, even though, ultimately, this is not what makes for a good long-term partnership."

He's basically saying (I think) that as society has become more focused on short term gratifiation that dating has become more 'drive-thru' and we're not willing to invest the time needed to actually get to know someone enough and instead making more significant judgements about less significant traits. ((And I certainly agree with this last part...I cannot ever recall being asked a question on a date that related to personal values.))

So enough said.. does this relate to you, do you see it in society?, is it possible that 'American dating' is just wrong?
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This is an anti-MotherNature gender feminist politics. What is going to happen when all those gender feminists finally realize 1) Mothernature is smarter than them 2) they are being controlled by international bankers and
3) Armies of Muslims WILL invade the American homeland. What will they do then? Have their feminized boys hand over their computer games?

So maybe in 100 years a nuclear family will consist of microbes as the human race will no longer exist if things continue.



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Being divorced or never-married was not socially acceptable 100 years ago. It is now. People who'd rather be single these days feel free to be that way; people are less willing to settle for marrying or staying-married if they're not happy with their mate.

I think 100's of years ago marriage was more of an economic and co-parenting partnership. Nice if you like/love your spouse, but not necessary, and you can always have love on the side.

That changed in more modern times where people want to combine love and economic partnership into one union. Does it work? Maybe, maybe not.

I wonder what effect there will be on children over coming generations, where the "nuclear family" is no longer the norm.
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This is an anti-MotherNature gender feminist politics. What is going to happen when all those gender feminists finally realize 1) Mothernature is smarter than them 2) they are being controlled by international bankers and
3) Armies of Muslims WILL invade the American homeland. What will they do then? Have their feminized boys hand over their computer games?

So maybe in 100 years a nuclear family will consist of microbes as the human race will no longer exist if things continue.
Spartacus, you are too harsh on yourself, you can have a better feeling of humans in general and of females specially and you will feel better. Need to let all those negative feelings depart from you for your own sake.
 
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