ming_on_mongo is offline ming_on_mongo Post #61  November 12,2009, 6:26am
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Can_I_just_be_Jo wrote :
Is it an attitude? There is book smart and intelligent. My brother and I our adopted so nothing genetically alike. He is book smart I am just intelligent. Even though on paper we look alike down to the GPA he has no idea how I do what I do. Attorney vs. accountant, in his mind we are equal in intelligence because we are professionals. It is not arrogance so much as the knowledge that had he not worked like crazy he would be managing a car wash. He looks as those with a comparable degree as an equal because he sees the hard work he put in as what they must have done. He looks at people without degrees as less than him because he sees them as what he would have been. He has no idea what raw intelligence is or what someone with it can do.

I don't believe that educated people treat intelligent uneducated people the way they do for any other reason than they just don't understand.
Oh, agreed, there're definitely different kinds of intelligence. But I see attitude as something separate, that's sort of our internal set of "rules" or values on how we use it.

So that when all other things being equal re: facility for memory, ability to reason, abstract thought, etc., "attitude" is that internal "taskmaster" most of us have that dictates how we use it. And it can make the difference between using those gifts the most broadly and creatively that we can, or else maybe instead, it's just this relentless voice that insists we always have to "win" or "color inside the lines"...
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ming_on_mongo wrote :
Oh, agreed, there're definitely different kinds of intelligence. But I see attitude as something separate, that's sort of our internal set of "rules" or values on how we use it.
Seems like intelligence is the engine and attitude is the steering.
 
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Seems like intelligence is the engine and attitude is the steering.
Yup, I'd buy that...!
 
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ming_on_mongo wrote :
So that when all other things being equal re: facility for memory, ability to reason, abstract thought, etc., "attitude" is that internal "taskmaster" most of us have that dictates how we use it. And it can make the difference between using those gifts the most broadly and creatively that we can, or else maybe instead, it's just this relentless voice that insists we always have to "win" or "color inside the lines"...
What that fails to take into account is that with the differences in intelligence things are not equal. An intelligent person blows away an educated person in all those areas. An average educated person cannot understand that even without education an intelligent person is still an equal. I just don't see it as attitude but perception.
 
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What that fails to take into account is that with the differences in intelligence things are not equal. An intelligent person blows away an educated person in all those areas. An average educated person cannot understand that even without education an intelligent person is still an equal. I just don't see it as attitude but perception.
Aren't we just quibbling about semantics here, or are you saying that attitude has no effect?

And BTW, what's the difference between, say, "perceiving" intelligent women as "intimidating", and having the "attitude" that they are?
 
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Aren't we just quibbling about semantics here, or are you saying that attitude has no effect?

And BTW, what's the difference between, say, "perceiving" intelligent women as "intimidating", and having the "attitude" that they are?
Perception to me assumes ignorance of a difference. Attitude to me means they know the difference but chose to act superior anyway. Does that makes sense?
 
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Perception to me assumes ignorance of a difference. Attitude to me means they know the difference but chose to act superior anyway. Does that makes sense?
Maybe we're just talking variations of the same thing. I think of attitude as "willful" ignorance (i.e. "don't know, and don't care").
 
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Maybe we're just talking variations of the same thing. I think of attitude as "willful" ignorance (i.e. "don't know, and don't care").
Sounds about right I just feel like there should be room for innocence. Say you believe that anyone who is very intelligent becomes a rocket scientist or something. That someone more intelligent than you would never consider passing on higher education. That what they became was the best they could do with their level of intelligence. I just believe it is possible that this person would assume they are superior to you based on this.

Then again that doesn't excuse the behavior of looking down on anyone. So I guess I agree that the looking down is an attitude. This is why I love going around and around with people. I do find out I am wrong.
 
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