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I tend to be shy at first.

I am much more interested in a long-term committed relationship than a short-term sexual one.

Difficult to find someone I click with. Psychologically I operate in a different gear than most. I am an identical twin and although many people find that interesting, very few actually can understand what this kind of very close relationship really is like. Also I am a divergent creative thinking with a near-photographic memory. I find unless I dumb myself down many people are intimidated by my smarts. Dumbing myself down is something I am not willing to do anymore.
(I'm glad to find in this discussion group there is intelligent life in the Universe)

I have been told in the past by certain women I am "too nice" and they prefer more of the "bad boy" type.

I wouldn't want someone I love to be subject to the destructive crap some of my family members can pull at times. This has become much less of an issue over time as I have set very firm limits on what is acceptable to me.

Most importantly, I don't want to get hurt again. I would prefer to be on my own than to invest in a relationship which I know will end up in a painful way. Loss of someone I love is something I have experienced and this kind of tragedy is painful for me.

Enough said. I remain an optimist, open to finding a woman with spirit and passion for living life fully will challenge me as Lincoln put it towards "the better angels of our nature."

Mike
Oh, Mike, I'm gunna call as I see it ... that load of dribble doesn't reflect a clever guy such as yourself ... can you try again and call on the left side of your brain ...

to start of with, women love acomplished intelligent guys (which I'm no doubt you are) ... so lets leave off women are intimidated by your smarts. You also seem handsome enough ... debonair even. And sure, you've loved and lost ... that makes you one of us ...

Now for some more open refletion ... what do you feel about relationship, what makes you tun your head, listern to a woman?
 
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Honestly, I'm not sure. I've had people tell me I'm intimidating at 1st impression. Don't judge a book by it's cover.
I said before I think it's quite fair to judge books (people) by their covers (dress and behavior) and an article in Psychology Today (new issue) backs me on that. They have two images of a woman and detail what traits are most common to each style.

And to that end I said in another thread (and group) that I think a big reason, maybe the biggest, for people to get tattoos is because they're angry (but rationalized as 'independent' which I also call a 'rebel' attitude).
 
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I have been told in the past by certain women I am "too nice" and they prefer more of the "bad boy" type.

Most importantly, I don't want to get hurt again. I would prefer to be on my own than to invest in a relationship which I know will end up in a painful way.
To #1: I think it's critical that men be able to quickly surmize this type...and I don't think it's that hard at times. A women I spoke to the other day, the very first thing she said was "Nice to hear a sexy voice behind that sexy picture." and I knew that was a short term/bad boy person. Not always obvious, but this time for sure.

To #2: You will get hurt again but if you develop more skills in sussing women you'll have more certainty and more control of the pain (the situation) and you'll be able to tolerate it more because you'll know going in what is possible/probable. (You don't know it WILL end up in a certain way... that's a rationalization to avoid trying.. but the truth is that it MIGHT end up in pain.. and knowing that, and what it's like, and that you'll recover, will make it easier to try (the recovery time will be shorter because it will have familiarity... I so wish relationships were more like learning to ride a bike...you can go through 25 attempts/failures/hurts in an hour...can't do that 25x with relationships... so we absolutely MUST use visualization to simulate those conversations and fallouts.)
 
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I said before I think it's quite fair to judge books (people) by their covers (dress and behavior) and an article in Psychology Today (new issue) backs me on that. They have two images of a woman and detail what traits are most common to each style.
Sort of. Again, we can only see What, we never really know Why.

So you see a woman wearing a black leather motorcycle jacket. You can make an assumption, but there are number of possible reasons why - her dad wore it, it was a gift from a boyfriend, her other jacket is at the cleaners... you just don't know.

Now if there is a pattern or multiple items pointing the toward the same type of personality, your probablility of a correct guess increases dramatically.

And to that end I said in another thread (and group) that I think a big reason, maybe the biggest, for people to get tattoos is because they're angry (but rationalized as 'independent' which I also call a 'rebel' attitude).
I have 2 small tattoos and would like to get a 3rd larger one. I got the one on my ankle to prove a point, which is a really lame reason to get one. I don't believe I was angry, though I guess it could be construed that way. I got the one on my hip because I saw a drawing, thought it was very beautiful and wanted that beauty on my body. It was also showing a connection with part of my ancestry.

The 3rd one... I've put it off for a while, not because I don't want it, but because men my age and older tend to have preconceived notions about women with tattoos, especially those that cross the line into larger ones. This one definitely would be, starting on my upper arm and extending over my shoulder onto my shoulder blade. It's not an angry tattoo, it is a tribute to women like myself that have had to "step up to the plate" and do work traditionally done by men. More of a Pride kind of thing. It's also a tribute to a time when things were not perfect or even pleasant, but there was a different attitude that I identify with more than the current culture.

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Difficult to find someone I click with. Psychologically I operate in a different gear than most. I am an identical twin and although many people find that interesting, very few actually can understand what this kind of very close relationship really is like. Also I am a divergent creative thinking with a near-photographic memory. I find unless I dumb myself down many people are intimidated by my smarts. Dumbing myself down is something I am not willing to do anymore.
(I'm glad to find in this discussion group there is intelligent life in the Universe)

No No No!! Oh, Mike never "dumb" yourself down for anyone. Be understanding and considerate but never be less than you truly are.
I do not think as deep as some on here but I enjoy their insights and it
pushes me to try harder to understand them.
It only makes me better.
Sometimes I just gasp at how deep they go. LOL!
And I am somewhat introverted and shy myself so I know what you mean in that perspective.
Women appreciate an intelligent man, perhaps, you have been choosing the wrong type of woman, broaden your horizons, try someone different.
They can only tell you no, hehehe!
 
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No No No!! Oh, Mike never "dumb" yourself down for anyone. Be understanding and considerate but never be less than you truly are.
I agree. Never dumb down.

Usually the problem with highly intelligent people is not that others are intimidated by their intellect, it's that they have nothing else to offer besides brain power. Many tend to rely solely on the fact that they are smart and then blame others' intellectual insecurities for their failure to find a lasting relationship.

No, intelligent people also have to be caring and fun and romantic and thoughtful and creative and interesting, just like everyone else.

Mike, I'm not saying that's true in your case. You seem to have depth and breadth to your personality. It's just what I've seen a number of times in others. I've noticed when I've dated highly intelligent men that they seem surprised that I'm smart, since I don't fit the typical "brainiac" stereotype.
 
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No No No!! Oh, Mike never "dumb" yourself down for anyone. Be understanding and considerate but never be less than you truly are.
I don't agree. When a date asks me to tell her about my work my answer is very different depending on her technical acumen.

Being understanding and considerate doesn't just mean 'nice' but also means trying to speak to that person's skill level.
 
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Now if there is a pattern or multiple items pointing the toward the same type of personality, your probablility of a correct guess increases dramatically.

It's not an angry tattoo, it is a tribute to women like myself that have had to "step up to the plate" and do work traditionally done by men. More of a Pride kind of thing.
Well that's exactly the point... you're judging the book cover as a whole, not just the typeface.

As for the the tattoo... Yes... that's exactly what I call under the umbrella of anger/rebellion. (Pride, unity, and justice, are three words people use to rationalize anger. And there was even another topic where people who refuse to use the word anger as they rationalized it as rage. They were upset, perturbed, bothered, but never angry.)
 
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As for the the tattoo... Yes... that's exactly what I call under the umbrella of anger/rebellion. (Pride, unity, and justice, are three words people use to rationalize anger. And there was even another topic where people who refuse to use the word anger as they rationalized it as rage. They were upset, perturbed, bothered, but never angry.)
I still don't see this particular case as anger. It's just saying "I am happy with the person I am today and identify with those who have gone down the same path before me." I don't think having a sense of belonging to a group really qualifies as anger unless there is anger toward those who dont belong, which there isn't. What about someone posting a diploma on a wall? Is that done out of anger? Though the social impact may be different, this particular tattoo and the diploma are both stating "I've accomplished something".
 
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I won't dumb myself down anymore. I did that for many years when I was self-critical and insecure. Never again since that would mean sacrificing an important part of who I am. I also have no difficulty meeting others at their level of understanding. From my point of view this has nothing to do with dumbing myself down.

In my experience people can react to intellectual ability in several different ways. They can be attracted, drawn towards those who are quite capable as well as feel threatened - intimidated. Intellect can inspire or create anxiety and fear when it shakes core assumptions people cling to as a way of organizing their lives. Consider the cases of Galileo, Darwin, Feud, or more recently Feyerabend. The reactions of individuals and society to the product of their genius continues to be unsettled, to reverberate, to both inspire and be despised and subject to derision. These reactions, emotional in nature, goes beyond discussion, debate or disagreement.

So in many ways in our society although we say we embrace intellectual ability as something we want for our children, there remains a great deal of fear. Children who are more intellectually able continue to be subjected to taunts, teasing, and exclusion as if they were freakish, strange or different. Simply take a look at the way in which in our political discourse academics - intellectuals are used as targets of derision, as being out of touch, and this is used as justification for who ought to hold the reins of power in our country. In more recent years science, knowledge and facts have been subjected to ridicule and scorn by some of our political leaders. Beliefs wrapped in the cloak of pseudoscience have been put forward to gain popular support for political aims. The cynical part of this is those who uses such tactics for political ends, rather than seeking geniune discussion and debate, would rather dumb things down for a public they consider to be easily fooled than to be thoughtful, reflective or intelligent in their discourse. Shades of the way a certain regime characterized those who were intellectually able when they created a social movement to burn books starting in the 1930's. Perhaps things will swing back now and we will become a more tolerant people. Perhaps.

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