meri75 is offline meri75 Post #71  October 17,2009, 2:36am
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Your welcome, I'm glad you found them useful.
Okay, here are my thoughts on the links:

Putting Faith In Its Place
There was a lot of unsubstantiated info on offer. The main thing I picked out from this was the author's intolerance of a view point not aligned with his/her own. Is it possible the author has experienced people trying to force faith on he/she? Quite probably. But I found it really interesting that all the negative comments he/she had to make about those who believe in the existance of God can equally be applied to those who are not believers and willingly trash the beliefs of those who do believe. (And no - not saying you do/have done this ). I think there is still more for me to learn from this little clip, I will be visiting it again. The whole impossible being theory is interesting, but I haven't quite grasped it. At least, I think I haven't yet.

The Big Bang and Evolution Clips
~ So, when the clip talked about scores of Physicists verifying the Scientific proof, they meant that experiment where the result came out as being -268 and -270? And that the proof of the experiment was the gases (?) found to be present at those temperatures?
~ Aren't the Big Bang theory and the theory of Evolution separately formed theories? If so, I am confused why one of these clips went into a lot of detail re Evolution and Natural Selection? I thought Charles Darwin had not attempted to explain the beginning of life, only how he believed life had evolved? (Though it has been awhile since I read his works and have popped them on hold at the library so I can refresh my memory on this point. Interesting man incidentally - he must have been incredibly smart and forward thinking in some respects and not in others.)
~ The Evolution clip: just reminded me of Science classes in high school, only with moving pictures instead of textbooks. Unless I am blindingly obtuse, I didn't pick up anything offering proof of the theories of Evolution or Natural Selection? I wrote up some more thoughts (well, questions really) re Evolution in response to WDOL post, but it went to visit Moddy.

What did you think about those clips?
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Sometimes in Science, there is no evidence, only theories based upon no evidence and no tests (how can you test authoritatively that which does not exist?) and it is this I find confusing.
Gravity I believe to be truth. If I drop anything, it falls.

Okay, so if the theory is now that we all evolved from one DNA source, I have two separate thoughts on this:

1. If we take the Biblical concept of Creation - is it really so surprising that one Creator would employ the same DNA (or whatever the scientic terminology is) in creation? That we would see similarities in animal, plant, insect structures etc?

2. If we take the theories of Evolution and Natural Selection as being the concept of evolving life, why do we not have fossilised evidence of this form of evolution occurring? We have found evidence of animals now extinct, not all of them fossils. Well - I'm not sure - what would you call that frozen mammoth found recently, it didn't look like a fossil. Then we have the Transitional Fossils. I don't understand the claims for these animals to be evidence of evolution. What we have appears to be evidence of a species of animal which is now extinct, not an animal which evolved over time into something else in the world today?

This is why I don't like inference with Science ... do we take an approach of inferred truth with Medical Science? I rather thought there was lots and lots and lots of testing happening with Medical Science (operations and medications etc) so that what we have is a history of verifiable data?
Sometimes in Science, there is no evidence, only theories based upon no evidence and no tests (how can you test authoritatively that which does not exist?) and it is this I find confusing.

I think you're calling "science" the pursuit of science. I'm not. I'm talking about the scientific method and how science determines what's real.

A scientist makes a speculation. That's not science. There are no scientific laws without evidence. Speculations about stuff we can't test is meta-science (or meta-physics)...here's one...atoms have memories and a soul and are actually alive. Can't disprove that it's not so in some alternative universe.

"Gravity I believe to be truth. If I drop anything, it falls."

Well as you said yourself it's either so or it's not. It's not a matter of your opinion or mine. Science removes the belief because only that can be what's really so.

There's no gravity in space so you drop something it doesn't fall...and that still doesn't mean gravity doesn't exist or behaves exactly as expected.

"is it really so surprising that one Creator would employ the same DNA (or whatever the scientic terminology is) in creation?"

It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone FEELS is surprising. Gravity is gravity regardless of feelings...that's why it's science.

"If we take the theories of Evolution and Natural Selection as being the concept of evolving life, why do we not have fossilised evidence of this form of evolution occurring?"

Visit your local museum of natural history is all I can offer about that. Not every creature has bones and not all fossils last forever.
 
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True. I am not sure. Even the methodology used I think may be flawed - or maybe people are lying and stating they carried out Scientific testing successfully? I did have another thought about perhaps Science, Philosophy and Religion all starting out closely linked and becoming separated ... but I can't get the thought unstuck enough to elaborate. Anyway, cheers - I enjoyed this thread very much.
 
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Anyway, cheers - I enjoyed this thread very much.
Good... for everyone.

I'm just trying to clarify.
 
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