maypoet is offline maypoet Post #11  August 6,2009, 7:50pm
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Imagine that a neighbor tells you that there's a diamond buried in her backyard that's the size of a refrigerator. And when you ask her why she believes this she says things like:

a.)My mission and my purpose come from my belief that there's a diamond buried in my backyard that's the size of a refrigerator.

b.) I can't imagine life without a diamond buried in my backyard that's the size of a refrigerator.

Are any of these statements adequate enough to convince you that she's right?
You're talking about a whole different concept...what is a right (what kind of right, by the way? morally? rationally?) reason/source for a person's mission or purpose in life. I would personally agree that a life purpose should at least be justified with a huge amount of philosophical thinking... But: is it not enough for a person to have a driving belief that they are living their life the best way they can/that they are doing everything as a human being that they should be doing? If not, why not? If a person is happier and more satisfied and fulfilled getting their purpose from an external source, existing or not, then why shouldn't they? I personally think those people in life who have faith-driven purposes are more fulfilled on a daily basis. Perhaps they are just as right living that way as another is taking their purpose from scientific or other intellectual pursuits...

I think (and have thought extensively that) this question has more ways to approach it than perhaps any other. It depends on what type of being you think a human being is, whether "purpose" is a definable term or not, and, among other things, and whether or not you think the answer must be supported by a sound argument.
 
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There are billions of humans and trillions of individual paths for them to take through life. Without the barometer provided by individual belief systems such as the Christian ten commandments or the Buddhist principles of right living how does one prevent the slide down the slippery slope of rationalizing whatever behavior they feel serves them best at the moment?

To be a good person, to live well and to serve humanity. To make a difference in a world that resists true independence of thought, of will, of action. The very act of trying to be what we believe our spiritual guides would have us to be... To emulate the most divine qualities of Jesus, or Siddhartha, or Allah... To create a legacy worthy of my ancestors, my children, myself... To celebrate life, to honor sacrifice, to cherish each moments gift, the possibility encapsulated by each instant of time...

Whether one lives for the moment or lives for the future or even where one lives for the past, it is the life that matters most, for where there is life there is hope... Hope for more happiness, hope for less sorrow, hope for more love, hope for less hate, hope that hope itself is not a lost cause in a world that delights in the frailty of species... A world where 98% of all species that have ever existed are no more.

Humanity is the most important thing in the multiverse!!! Fragile and rare as the most elusive particles of 100 billion stars in each of 100 billion galaxies surrounded by the pressing membrane of an infinite number of bubble universes existing in countless dimensions of space and time...

We are all ultimately mired in our own infinitely tiny space, confined to an infinitely tiny speck of time, and we must simply do the best with what we have been given, each and every one of us...
 
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You're talking about a whole different concept...what is a right (what kind of right, by the way? morally? rationally?) reason/source for a person's mission or purpose in life. I would personally agree that a life purpose should at least be justified with a huge amount of philosophical thinking... But: is it not enough for a person to have a driving belief that they are living their life the best way they can/that they are doing everything as a human being that they should be doing? If not, why not? If a person is happier and more satisfied and fulfilled getting their purpose from an external source, existing or not, then why shouldn't they? I personally think those people in life who have faith-driven purposes are more fulfilled on a daily basis. Perhaps they are just as right living that way as another is taking their purpose from scientific or other intellectual pursuits...

I think (and have thought extensively that) this question has more ways to approach it than perhaps any other. It depends on what type of being you think a human being is, whether "purpose" is a definable term or not, and, among other things, and whether or not you think the answer must be supported by a sound argument.
When i use the word right i mean accurate, or true. The diamond in the backyard analogy should illustrate that just because any belief X is cherished or gives one's life meaning doesn't mean that belief X is true. I am passionate about what is true and real, to me nothing is more sacred then facts.Faith does not equal fact, and belief does not equal truth.We should not have to lie to ourselves about the nature of reality in order to have a purpose in life.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality." (George Bernard Shaw)
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I never do anything in hopes of gaining the approval of others. I have no heroes. I do what I do because it's what I want to do at the moment. In whatever you do, you will get the approval of some and the disapproval of others. So, do what makes you happy.
 
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ANDR3W wrote :
Imagine that a neighbor tells you that there's a diamond buried in her backyard that's the size of a refrigerator. And when you ask her why she believes this she says things like:

a.)My mission and my purpose come from my belief that there's a diamond buried in my backyard that's the size of a refrigerator.

b.) I can't imagine life without a diamond buried in my backyard that's the size of a refrigerator.

Are any of these statements adequate enough to convince you that she's right?
It would be the amount conviction in which she said these things, a lack of a better explanation for the existance of these things, and/or no substantial evidence to disprove her.
 
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I believe our mission here on earth is to love and learn. Those are the only two things we can take with us after we die.
 
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azelia is offline azelia Post #17  September 6,2009, 4:50pm
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I agree that we spend too little time on focused thought. I agree that we escape these thoughts through food, tv, etc. In that respect they offer the same effect as drugs.

But my question before your reply was 'how do we know we're really acting for ourselves and not just looking for others' approval'?
Wow! That is truly a tough one. It requires us to truly step outside ourselves, our environment, and everything that has every affected us. (I don't know if you've read The Leader's Journey by Jim Herrington, R. Robert Creech, and Trisha Taylor. But it has some thoughts on Living Systems, and how each person has a part to play.)

I don't think that it is easy to say that any person truly lives with every action ever committed as one that can be completely free of approval. It seems that the majority of humanity wants to have a connection, and in order to maintain that connection, humans make choices that affect how others approve or disapprove of those choices.

It seems to me that one of the key marks in whether I am acting out of my true want/need, that the consequences of my actions will not force me to change that action. I have made some pretty heavy choices of late, but they were choices which I truly believed I needed to make in order to find peace for myself. This was very difficult because so many others (very close and important) do not understand and have shared with me their disapproval. That, I think, is when I know that the action is truly from myself and not from the approval of others.

If your soul cries out and says to you that you must do this or that you must move in certain directions in your life even whent everyone else around you will frown upon and discourage you and you do it anyway (not from rebellion, not from a challenge, not from doing it just because, rather because you know that it is for you), then it is done without regard for the approval of others. And quite honestly, very few people can do that.

It is scary to step out to pursue one's passion or beliefs when everyone she ever known and loved tells her how unbelievably foolish she is.
 
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