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JonBoy Post #131 October 9,2008, 9:39pm

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abnoba,287766 wrote :

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To make it simple, it has nothing to do with doctrine. It has everything to do with the three C's of relationships: chemistry, compatibility and commitment. That simple.

I attend Mass every Sunday. I enjoy having discussions about the homilies. I enjoy talking about my beliefs, and discussing how my mate an I can incorporate them into everyday life.

Pretty simple, really.

As far as the Bible, it does say not to be unevenly yoked, but it does NOT forbid it, just like Judaism welcomed spouses of other beliefs.

There is no need to be joined at the hips to have a successful marriage. Many successful marriages of inter faith and inter politics and inter philosophies exist and do so in a harmonious way. Yes, there are some people who for reasons of their own must marry only their own kind. Our histories are full of the various ways we have chosen to exclude based on religion, race, culture and so on. Exclusionists policies backed up or not by some ancient texts or traditions are simply the after the fact excuses people add on to justify their decisions. Sadly Paul is not alone in his contemptible desire to divide the human race into ours and theirs. In this he belongs to a pantheon of xenophobic human beings.

Wait a minute Christians believe we all are equal in God's eyes and we all come from the same two parents in the beginning. And as a resultwe can choose who ever we want to marry and we do. Atheist believe more or less in the survival of the fittest, stomp out the weak and trash the earth for profit. Would you like scriptures to back this up? i do agree with you that 2 diffrent individuals can be happily married and if they heed the principles in God's word it will only stregthen there commitment.

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I have a question, which I asked earlier and so far no one among the christians has answered. It is apparent that christians have been taught to avoid atheists, agnostics, skeptics, freethinkers. No doubt they have been taught to avoid anyone from the world's religion as well. But what about all those millions of people who call themselves "true" christians but entertain a different reading of your book? I certainly know some Protestants who have openly stated, for example, that Catholics are not Christians. So can a Protestant yoke themselves to a Catholic or are these also ruled out by your purity laws? I know some people who regularly go to church who claim all mormons are not christian. Would your purity laws keep you from dating or marrying mormons?

I sort of wonder just who some of you can date or marry. You have practically ruled out most of the planet in your drive to be purer than thou.

I guess the only good thing about this is that it reduces your gene pool and one can hope quicken the day when such supertitious divisions are a thing of history.

This is easy, we all have a free will granted by our wonderful loving Creator and we can freely choose whoever we want to marry. He just holds us highly responsible to the making of any vows before him. Yes we are so free as a people not to mention the precious freedom we have from the practice of sin too!

"...For such freedom Christ set us free. Therefore stand fast, and do not let yourselves be confined again in a yoke of slavery." Galatians 5:1 Paul

".... But if her husband should fall asleep [in death], she is free to be married to whom she wants, only in [the] Lord. But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my opinion. ..." 1 Corinthians 7:39-40

"...Be as free people, and yet holding YOUR freedom, not as a blind for badness, but as slaves of God. Honor [men] of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, have honor for the king..." 1 Peter 2:16-17
Whoops this is Peter, I guess he is hateful to everyone and the world too according to you abnoba and not his own words.
Don't worry about our gene pool as we think marriage between a man and woman is one of the greatest gifts that God gave us along with the children He blesses us with, it's the godless atheist homosexuals that you must believe will be the first to have their gene pool gone. Superstitions? Believing in a big bang or evoulution is more so!

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A great fire ravaged Rome in 64C.E., destroying about a fourth of the city. The rumor circulated that Nero was responsible and, according to Roman historian Tacitus, Nero tried to protect himself by placing the blame on the Christians. (The Annals, XV, XLIV) Mass arrests followed, and Christians as well as those suspected of being Christians were tortured, put to death in large numbers, some even being burned alive in public. This appears to have marked the start of a great wave of persecution, not from religious opposers, but from political sources bent on exterminating the Christian congregation. Likely Paul, who evidently was freed after two years of imprisonment in Rome (c. 59-61C.E.), now experienced his second imprisonment (c. 65C.E.). It is generally held that he thereafter was put to death at Nero’s order.—Compare 2Ti 1:16,17; 4:6-8.

abnoba I wonder what exactly you hate about Paul so much? What writings of his crossed/crosses you so much? Maybe I can shed light on them with research. All I've read from Paul have been up-building though not easily followed but comforting nonetheless! True he was and very hateful man before his conversion and even remained imperfect after till the day he died as we all are currently but his overall life course has much to recommend mankind in obedience to our designer God Almighty!

The so called persecution of christians is greatly exaggerated. Were some persecuted? Sure. Most though managed to find a way to make accomodations with the Empire. After all they could follow Paul's lead and simply assume that Nero like all governments were put there by God: in other words suck it up and obey.

How did Paul die? Certainly, not as he expected, by seeing Jesus return and end the world before he died. But outside of later legends no one knows how or when Paul died.

Sorry OP but i did answer your question when first posted but abnoba comments begs for a response from me. I will try to stop it or you can just email me directly.

We don't believe God put these goverments here. He has allowed them to exist and yes He tells us to obey their laws unless they contradict His good laws. Yes you are right we don't know for sure how he died but I can gurantee you in God's eyes he is alive 100% and will live forever!

AlexandraCassandra Post #134 October 9,2008, 10:25pm

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TexasCarGuy,288425 wrote :

"So best of luck to you Paulinian woman."

If that is menat to be an insult...well, let's just say I want me one of them! especially if she listens to Dr. Laura! and cooks! haha, I figured I might as well get everyone mad here!

seriously, when religion ever comes up on these boards, there seems to be some hatin goin on (droppin my g's, like Sarah). to that I say, why can't we all get along? I mean, some of us are Christians and some are not. Now that is not really such a shock. So, why say mean things about Paul knowing the lady likes the guy's writing? I mean, really why? Is it that important to your own belifs to say something ugly about her beliefs? Start with the premise that she belives the tenants of the Christian faith and you don't -- ok. Now, a. I won't date a non Christian; and b. I certainly honor your right to disagree. So what is there further to talk about? I will say my beliefs if someone asks, but again, I honor your right to make your choices on religion and everything else and I won't be pubiclyhatin' on your "god" or whatever you worship.

Thanks TexasCarGuy!

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Seriously, I liked what you had to say.

abnoba Post #135 October 10,2008, 7:05am

I just found out my gramma died. I feel so very sad. I will miss her a lot.

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TexasCarGuy,288425 wrote :

I have a right to my opinions texacarguy. In this case my opinions of Paul are based on fact not mere fancy. If Paul is going to b used as an excuse by christians for licensing hate and intolerance in the name of god, I for one don't plan on giving them a free ride. Intolerance whether sugar coated with chrisitan piety or not is still intolerance.

I also think you need to realize that being critical of religous leaders is not an example of hate but rather an attempt to shed some light on the dark corners of what is really a very hateful religion: christianity.

abnoba Post #136 October 10,2008, 7:42am

I just found out my gramma died. I feel so very sad. I will miss her a lot.

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JonBoy,288573 wrote :

Good point Texas car guy and i too would like a lady who listens to Dr. Laura but also pays heed to God and the Scriptures.

Also abnoba it is so true Jesus was so loving to all and fellowships with them to a degree. But that was because he viewed them as sheep without a shepherd and that they where spiritually sick to a degree. he went with the ideal of helping them to follow him and then when they wasn't interested he didn't continue to fellowship with them but went to others, the same that true Christians do today. Preaching and teaching the good news of the kingdom and something better for mankind in a very loving way. Giving kind aid too in a tangible way is what we do.

"And Jesus set out on a tour of all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity.On seeing the crowds he felt pity for them, because they were skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd. Then he said to his disciples: "Yes, the harvest is great, but the workers are few. Therefore, beg the Master of the harvest to send out workers into his harvest."" Matthew 9:35-38

"...But on seeing this the Pharisees began to say to his disciples: "Why is it that YOUR teacher eats with tax collectors and sinners?"Hearing [them], he said: "Persons in health do not need a physician, but the ailing do.Go, then, and learn what this means, ‘I want mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners."" Matthew 9:11-13

JonBoy I have no intention of getting into a bible quoting dispute with you or any other christian. I know the game and how it is played. It is largely a no win game since there are no agreed upon rules other than you and like minded people will continue to cut and paste various bible passage to prove your ideological assumptions.

There are many very scholarly, well researched and written examinations of Paul's writings and his intolerance, his hatred motivated by his fear of woman's sexuality, his opposition to homosexuals, his support of slavery, his submission to governments even bad ones, his sexist notions about the inherent inferiority of woman and his totally misguided zealotry based on his mistaken notion that the world was soon to end.

Will you read them>? I doubt it and nor do I really care that you do or don't. It is your right to remain in the dark and to continue to cut and paste the bible and call it scholarship.

As for Jesus, I know there are many scholars who doubt that he even existed, that he is a kind of construct of reformed Judaism. I am not really in this camp. I do think that Jesus did live and preach a message of radicacl inclusion and that he ran afoul of the Roman governors, was executed and that later, much, much later stories of him have returned (like Elvis) began to be circulated.

I recognize that the four gospels that nearly 300 years after Jesus' were selected by a council of politicians and bishops contain much that is simply public relations, propaganda, marketing. It is not good history, nor was it likely intended to be good history. This part, outside of the blinkered faith communities, is widely accepted in scholarly circles. But even given that the gospels were sales pamphlets for one of the many competing christianities in the first, second and third centuries of the commone era, a picture of a man who was more loving, more inclusive, more caring than most people of his age and our age emerges. He must been an extraordinary teacher, rabbi, leader of men and women. But no god, just a man.

From what I know of Jesus he is head and shoulders over those who have since taken his simple message of inclusion and love and made of it a religion of purity laws. Ironic when you think that what most scandalized the people of his age was that he so often ignored the purity laws in favor of love and acceptance. Now today many of his so called followers twist his words to support their purity laws and their politics of hatred and exclusion.

Anyway, I really don't like banging my head against proverbial brick walls; I know from experience that debating with those who think they speak for and reflect some invisible god, based on one reading, of one ancient book is a lost cause.

Believe as you will. The great thing about following an invisible god who doesn't speak for himself is that you can put all sorts of words in its mouth and no one will ever be able to prove you wrong.

See ya around JonBoy

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abnoba,288897 wrote :

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Here is a thought that may shock, in what countries in the world are women the most demeaned and abused? Those with a predominantly non-Christian leadership. Check it out! The teachings of the Bible teach God's love is availabel to all. God is no respecter of persons. God can and will use anyone who is willing to be used. There are lots of examples where God lifts up the humble to mock the proud. I mean Jesus was not what the spiritual leaders of the day were looking for or expecting. They expected a poliltical leader on a white horse to free them from Roman rule. They got a carpenter's son with calouses on his hands from teh wrong side of the tracks (can any good thing come from Galilee?) riding on a humble donkey. So, God has a funny way of making what the world thinks turn upside down.

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AlexandraCassandra,288666 wrote :

TexasCarGuy,288425 wrote :

Thanks TexasCarGuy!

I don't listen to Dr. Laura, but I do listen to and read Nancy Leigh DeMoss and Kay Arthur...

also I do cook

Seriously, I liked what you had to say.

thanks for this, but ya gotta be careful, I may shock you! There was a subtle jab at Sarah Palin in my reply. I am a Democrat, don't cha know!

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JonBoy,288623 wrote :

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this is true...God did give us free will to choose in our own lifetime. But, you only want to choose someone of your own religious values and "eliminate" the possibility of a relationship with a person with differing spiritual practices.So are you , or are you not ,limiting yourself? Yes we are all held responsible for our actions. We should hold to the very vows we make before him.

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abnabo, just like the wind is invisible but is real so is God. Just the fact that we exist proves that but I know how it feels to believe there isn't a God but just us to call our own shots. Believe me in the end you will realize you really wasn't that wise. We all make our own beds and must sleep in them. I'm glad I made the right choice, so warm and cozy!

"For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way,because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened.Although asserting they were wise, they became foolishand turned the glory of the incorruptible God into something like the image of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed creatures and creeping things.Therefore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them,even those who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created, who is blessed forever. Amen. That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature;and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error. And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting,filled as they were with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, badness, being full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malicious disposition, being whisperers,backbiters, haters of God, insolent, haughty, self-assuming, inventors of injurious things, disobedient to parents,without understanding, false to agreements, having no natural affection, merciless." Romans 1:18-31

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