What Church Going People Really Don't Want to Give Up and What Are the Alternatives?


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DennisWisconsin is offline DennisWisconsin Post #11  November 2,2009, 2:53pm
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Wiccans, Buddhists,
I don't know why but I find Wiccans intriguing ... same with Buddhists...
 
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ming_on_mongo wrote :
Well Dennis, than it's clearly time for you to start another religion here, that's an alternative to all that. While still providing the other things that people seem to want (community, music, higher meaning, etc.), but without all that messy "bible" stuff!

So whatcha think, got any inclination to be a "cult leader", or at least an "evangelist" for science & reason?! And just think of all those nubile acolytes eagerly looking to bestow their, um, "gratitude" on their Teacher & Savior, for rescuing them from the perils of ignorance & superstition.... HALLELUJAH!

You mean like the atheist, humor, and science religion?

Ah! I don't look anything like Charles Manson or Jerry Seinfeld! I'll have to be a total trail blazer re-defining what funny cult leaders look like... I'll have to review my wardrobe! I have so much to do!

I wonder what a balding Adolf Hitler would have looked like?
 
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You mean like the atheist, humor, and science religion?

Ah! I don't look anything like Charles Manson or Jerry Seinfeld! I'll have to be a total trail blazer re-defining what funny cult leaders look like... I'll have to review my wardrobe! I have so much to do!

I wonder what a balding Adolf Hitler would have looked like?
"...atheist, humor, and science religion",... "The Chuch of A.H.S.", I like it (and we could all begin by reciting the Periodic Table, and pocket protectors would become a "sacred vestment")!! Think of the tax benefits!!

Re: "balding", etc., it sure hasn't hurt Dr. Phil!

BTW, do you prefer Reverend, or just Your Eminence...?!
 
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ming_on_mongo wrote :
"...atheist, humor, and science religion",... "The Chuch of A.H.S.", I like it (and we could all begin by reciting the Periodic Table, and pocket protectors would become a "sacred vestment")!! Think of the tax benefits!!

Re: "balding", etc., it sure hasn't hurt Dr. Phil!

BTW, do you prefer Reverend, or just Your Eminence...?!
I think we should go for 'something completely different'.
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DennisWisconsin wrote :
Most people are smarter than that.
Intelligence is not tied to belief. One is grounded in reason and the other in feeling (and rationalized through intelligence).

If you're IQ was tripled right now would your feelings change? Would you involuntary threat response? (no)

I think it's actually a good thing that no one can prove there's no god because if that happened there would be horrendous chaos. I continue to think religion was perhaps a better invention than the wheel.
 
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I obviously disagree with you on this...
 
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That's a tough exam, Dennis. I can only come up with this answer for now :

3. Gives people a way to release tension (singing) from the previous week. Being absolved of your sins of the week before allows you to put those things in your past and move on.
Alternatives to this?

Accept that you are a fallible human being. You can make mistakes. You can make an effort and become a better person in time (even though it won't happen overnight). You don't need a priest to tell you this. It is so.

If anything, the religious ceremony here was catering to people with low self-esteem, who don't have the personal resources to believe it when they tell themselves "it's ok". Well, this is a case where "independent thought" has its advantages. If someone can only believe that "it's ok" when someone else tells them, I would suggest counseling (as in therapy). Ok. Mebbe I'm being a little too mean.
 
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I was an active Unitarian for several years. There were atheists in the congregation, but they were not as militant as Dennis. Our services were about seeking truth and promoting good in the community. We were heavily into volunteerism and social welfare. I think Dennis won't fit in anywhere but his own cult!
 
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DennisWisconsin wrote :
I obviously disagree with you on this...
Who are you disagreeing with?
 
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Comedian wrote :
I was an active Unitarian for several years. There were atheists in the congregation
(Do you know why?)
 
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