DennisWisconsin is offline DennisWisconsin Post #1  June 12,2009, 3:27am
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Idealistically it would be great if religion and politics were not a factor in the work place but this isn't always the case. It can be very uncomfortable when you represent the minority viewpoint.

Do you or have you worked in a situation where fellow employees made you feel uncomfortable?

In the office I am surrounded by Christian conservatives and it has gotten to the point where the only thing that has kept me from telling them off was to introduce humor.

Even towards the end of Bush's last months in office - when I could barely stand the sound of his voice - I considered him my president. Every President is my President, republican or democrat. This isn't so with the people in my office.

They have come very close to revealing themselves as white supremesists... These are professional people and are really scared and scary people. I've heard some discussion about the assault weapons they own... This is when I am thankful we have a strong government but it is still worrisome that they have assault weapons. What army are they planning to fight?
 
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I wonder if this has to do with certain areas of the US. I live on the East Coast close to NYC so, rarely if ever, do I experience this type of behaviour or thinking. Sure, there are differences in political and religious persuasion but in my experience, people are able to accept those differences without feeling threatened.

Scary stuff you are talking about there, Dennis.
 
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They don't seem to be very smart people to me Dennis, for a couple of reasons.

Anyone who claims to be a Christian but displays a white supremacist attitude is a downright hippocrit. And to openly brag about possessing assault weapons isn't too bright either. Yeah, I have a number of weapons myself but I keep it confidential.

I work for a a small business who's owners are deeply Catholic religious. But to hear them talk they're as hippocritic as they come. But I neither feel threatened nor intimidated.

I just chalk it up as 'There's a lotttt of screwed up people out there' and go about my day.
 
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I don't share in a lot of my coworkers beliefs/thoughts on many topics, but don't hold it against them and they don't hold it against me (I think ).

They aren't nearly as extreme as your coworkers sound, though, so I'm able to state my opposing views without fear of being assaulted and lunchroom discussions have only become mildly heated a couple of times.

Many of them do own weapons, but they're for gopher hunting.
 
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Thank the universe that I travel... I spend as little time as possible in the office... One person who sits behind me has earphones all day and is plugged into right wing AM radio brainwashing... if you ever listened to this stuf you know what I mean... they repeat stuff like 50 million times... they are literally brain washing people.... so every 10 minutes or so this guy spouts out the latest right wing carp... Obama this Obama that... Obama has declared this is a moslem country... when I heard him say this for about the millionth time I just cracked and told him he should have listened to Obama's speech instead of getting it filtered through some ignorant right wing facist...

These guys love democracy... but they think it should be a one party system.... hmmm.... who do we know with a system like that?
 
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Idealistically, we are suppose to have a workplace free of discrimination, including freedom of/ from religion. However, real life is often a far cry from the constitutional ideal. Small businesses will often hire fellow church members, or associates of fellow church members. Therefore, some will use the religious assembly less out of conviction, and more as a place to network.

As a former small business owner, one of the distributors told me about prayer meetings his company would have for the sales reps. Now, he was a fellow science enthusiast, so he had strong reservations about the practice. He didn't indicate if the meetings were manditory or not. However, if one wants to "succeed" in such an atmosphere, one has to "go through the motions."

Funny thing is, the company was notoriously unscrupulous in its means to turn businesses in the area into warehouses for its product. If you didn't watch them, they would have product stockpiled in your business. It often made me wonder about the content of their "prayer meetings." I often wondered if they were involking the deity as a means to distribute as much of their product as they could.
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DennisWisconsin wrote :
Thank the universe that I travel... I spend as little time as possible in the office... One person who sits behind me has earphones all day and is plugged into right wing AM radio brainwashing... if you ever listened to this stuf you know what I mean... they repeat stuff like 50 million times... they are literally brain washing people.... so every 10 minutes or so this guy spouts out the latest right wing carp... Obama this Obama that... Obama has declared this is a moslem country... when I heard him say this for about the millionth time I just cracked and told him he should have listened to Obama's speech instead of getting it filtered through some ignorant right wing facist...

These guys love democracy... but they think it should be a one party system.... hmmm.... who do we know with a system like that?



First of all, I am really pissed off, since I just lost an extensive post in response to this comment. It is one of the reasons, I have currently abandoned posting to focus on other writing projects. If I put in the time, I do not want to lose my work. Evidently, after a certain amount of time, the eHA system signs a person out. Then when you try to submit reply, it tells you that "you must be a member." But I'm already a member! But, I'll work on what I previously submitted in increments. And unless they work out the bugs, I may again think twice about contributing in the future. Anyways, I'll try to recapture the essence of what I previously wrote.

First of all, I am disturbed by what could mildly be described as a lack of objectivity among talk radio pundits. If they were truly "objective," they would also expose the dark side of the Republican party. However, it is basically a recast of the "us and them" duality in which the Democratic party is demonized as "the other." Therefore, in this scenario, the Republicans can do no wrong, and everything the Democrats do is malignant. Therefore, we have a recasting of metaphysical dualistic themes in which the Republicans are the embodiment of all that is good, and the Democrats of all that is evil.
 
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DennisWisconsin wrote :
...These are professional people and are really scared and scary people. I've heard some discussion about the assault weapons they own... This is when I am thankful we have a strong government but it is still worrisome that they have assault weapons. What army are they planning to fight?
longsocks wrote :
...Many of them do own weapons, but they're for gopher hunting.
from the Declaration of Independence (07/04/1776):

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

from the US Constitution, Amendment II (12/17/1791):

... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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I'm inclined to agree with notyet on this one. It is funny how certain groups will pick and choose their "pet amendments" to support. The more right-leaning NRA will defend the right to bear arms as guaranteed by the the Second Amendment. However, the more left-leaning ACLU would argue, with equal zeal, against random drug testing as an infringement against the Fourth Amendment's guarantee against unreasonable searches and seizures. And both positions are correct. However, you would never see the ACLU support the right to bear arms, nor would you see the NRA argue against random drug testing. Yet, both are equally valid aspects of the constitution. Perhaps, if groups arguing for their "pet amendments" would unite, they might find strength in numbers.

Ironically, this has happened in regards to the First Amendment where the ACLU, and the Pat Robertson based ACLJ, have become uncanny allies in regards to the free exercize of religion clause in the First Amendment. However, the two groups clash over the establishment clause. And I believe the ACLU holds the correct interpretation in regards to the establishment clause. Since church and state separation guarantees the rights not only of those who choose not practice religion, but also the rights of those who practice various forms of religious belief. Otherwise, we would have an officially recognized state sponsored church, as England did during the Reformation, which led to the founding of the colonies, and ultimately the right to freedom of/from religion guaranteed for all.
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"rix" wrote :
First of all, I am really pissed off, since I just lost an extensive post in response to this comment
That is why I learned a long time ago to create a temp text file on my desktop and then copy and paste my comments into it until it successfully posts. That way, if you lose your work, you can always copy it from the text document and paste it back into another attempt at a reply.

It's called "temporarily backing up your stuff"...

Good luck to you.
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