awol71 is offline awol71 Post #1  May 24,2009, 6:35pm
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Although personality types are fun to discuss, my question here is rather whether they have relevance to some of the topics that have been discussed in other threads. Such as :

- Evolution : why are some (particularly, the rational types) apparently selected against?

- Science : if science and rational thinking in general are such a great thing, how is it that rationals are so infrequent?

- Religion : is the widespread belief in religions to do with the fact that guardians are so frequent?

Here's a rough distribution of the (Keirsey temperament) types (in the U.S.) :

Guardians : 46%
Artisans : 27%
Idealists : 16%
Rational : 11%
 
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Is there any data on Kiersey temperament types in other countries? I'd be seriously interested in that information. *goes off to look*
 
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awol71 wrote :
- Science : if science and rational thinking in general are such a great thing, how is it that rationals are so infrequent?

Rational : 11%
People love to believe in magic... and Santa Claus
 
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Is there any data on Kiersey temperament types in other countries? I'd be seriously interested in that information. *goes off to look*
Great thread Awol71... I look forward to seeing the results of all this...
 
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I have been unable to find any international statistics on this test. I have however taken the test and I would not call this test / diagnostic tool credible on any level. I take exception to tests that give you two options and two options only. Here are a few examples:

When in charge of others do you tend to be: a) forgiving and lenient b) firm and unbending

In stories do you prefer: a) action and adventure b) heroism and fantasy

Are you more sensible than ideational or more ideational than sensible?

Which appeals to you more: a) harmonious relationships b) consistency of thought

Are you prone to a) exploring the possibilities b) nailing things down.

There are 71 of these type questions. I dislike the either/or nature of these types of things. Many of the questions are just variations on the theme of 'are you guided by your heart or by your mind. It isn't an either or situation -- especially for me -- in problem solving, I tend to look at both rational and emotional.

I take exception entirely in another aspect because I am in Nursing school and while I may be (and MUST) be exacting in my clinical standards of aseptic technique, dealing with others, transmission of information and other aspects of patient care -- all of which I believe in and also believe that this behavior is an extension of who I am -- I am ALSO one who looks at things completely while relying on a combination of both fact and emotion. I see a great deal of gray in what is, seemingly, a black and white test.

Another example: Is clutter in the workplace something you: a) tolerate pretty well b) take time to straighten up. For me, I can tolerate a little clutter around patient charts because of the 'interruption' factor in nursing but I can't tolerate it in the clinical areas or supply storage/med areas. I can't answer this question with a crystal clear answer. I felt this way with nearly every question. Trying to pick a 'best' one left me feeling agitated and extremely unsettled.

Guh, am I more observant than introspective or more introspective than observant... I'm bloody well both in fairly equal portions!

Am I cool headed or warm hearted?!?! What the .... I'm both - really - both.

Am I more comfortable before a decision or after a decision? I AM NOT AFRAID OF DECISIONS FOR SAKE'S SAKE. You have a decision to make, you make the decision. You can waste a lifetime in between. See what I mean?

Here are my results: (no big surprise, I'm a Guardian)

Guardians are the cornerstone of society, for they are the temperament given to serving and preserving our most important social institutions. Guardians have natural talent in managing goods and services--from supervision to maintenance and supply -- and they use all their skills to keep things running smoothly in their families, communities, schools, churches, hospitals, and businesses.
Guardians can have a lot of fun with their friends, but they are quite serious about their duties and responsibilities. Guardians take pride in being dependable and trustworthy; if there's a job to be done, they can be counted on to put their shoulder to the wheel. Guardians also believe in law and order, and sometimes worry that respect for authority, even a fundamental sense of right and wrong, is being lost. Perhaps this is why Guardians honor customs and traditions so strongly -- they are familiar patterns that help bring stability to our modern, fast-paced world.
Practical and down-to-earth, Guardians believe in following the rules and cooperating with others. They are not very comfortable winging it or blazing new trails; working steadily within the system is the Guardian way, for in the long run loyalty, discipline, and teamwork get the job done right. Guardians are meticulous about schedules and have a sharp eye for proper procedures. They are cautious about change, even though they know that change can be healthy for an institution. Better to go slowly, they say, and look before you leap.
Guardians make up as much as 40 to 45 percent of the population, and a good thing, because they usually end up doing all the indispensable but thankless jobs everyone else takes for granted.
Guardians at Work
As a Guardian, you enjoy working as a valued member of a team, whether you are leading it or following a credible leader. You like to work with people who carry their weight. You appreciate having clear-cut responsibilities and being recognized for your dedication and achievements. Your natural traits are those that employers have traditionally valued - and that successful companies still respect. You are responsible and loyal to an organization once you've signed on.
In any environment, including your work place, you are usually focused on making people happy and facilitating harmonious relationships. You often lend "aid and comfort" by drawing on a combination of tradition, past experience, and the direction of established authority. In your ideal job, people would give of themselves and work toward the good of the group.

They want $20.00 to tell me what kind of Guardian I am... I think I'll pass.

So, what is everybody else?
 
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This does not surprise me...

Idealists, as a temperament, are passionately concerned with personal growth and development. Idealists strive to discover who they are and how they can become their best possible self -- always this quest for self-knowledge and self-improvement drives their imagination. And they want to help others make the journey. Idealists are naturally drawn to working with people, and whether in education or counseling, in social services or personnel work, in journalism or the ministry, they are gifted at helping others find their way in life, often inspiring them to grow as individuals and to fulfill their potentials.
Idealists are sure that friendly cooperation is the best way for people to achieve their goals. Conflict and confrontation upset them because they seem to put up angry barriers between people. Idealists dream of creating harmonious, even caring personal relations, and they have a unique talent for helping people get along with each other and work together for the good of all. Such interpersonal harmony might be a romantic ideal, but then Idealists are incurable romantics who prefer to focus on what might be, rather than what is. The real, practical world is only a starting place for Idealists; they believe that life is filled with possibilities waiting to be realized, rich with meanings calling out to be understood. This idea of a mystical or spiritual dimension to life, the "not visible" or the "not yet" that can only be known through intuition or by a leap of faith, is far more important to Idealists than the world of material things.
Highly ethical in their actions, Idealists hold themselves to a strict standard of personal integrity. They must be true to themselves and to others, and they can be quite hard on themselves when they are dishonest, or when they are false or insincere. More often, however, Idealists are the very soul of kindness. Particularly in their personal relationships, Idealists are without question filled with love and good will. They believe in giving of themselves to help others; they cherish a few warm, sensitive friendships; they strive for a special rapport with their children; and in marriage they wish to find a "soulmate," someone with whom they can bond emotionally and spiritually, sharing their deepest feelings and their complex inner worlds.
Idealists are relatively rare, making up no more than 15 to 20 percent of the population. But their ability to inspire people with their enthusiasm and their idealism has given them influence far beyond their numbe
 
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Fino, what did you think about the test? Did you feel the questions were fair? was there a clear cut answer for you for the selections?

Can you imagine testing 100 people -- would you use this test for any sort of basis of making generalized statements about people?

This is where my problem lies -- I think the test is faulty on its face. Using these sorts of tests may be a guide but in and of themselves they are not deciding factors -- at least I do not believe they should be. I don't think you can administer one test and start making decisions about people or cultures or anything!!

So along with what you might be according to them -- how do you feel the results are in conjunction with how you felt taking the test.

I'm studying for a test on Tuesday and Finals on Friday with a research presentation (necrotizing fascitis - woot!) on Wednesday so I really don't have time to mess with the test again but I sometimes like to take them a couple of times using my alternate or secondary answers and seeing what the results are.

Also, keep in mind the percentage of people who hate tests and just give any old answer -- and the small percentage of anarchist types who will go completely contrary... numbers, you just can't trust'em when people get involved.
 
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Lostintranslation wrote :
Fino, what did you think about the test? Did you feel the questions were fair? was there a clear cut answer for you for the selections?
I had no problem with the questions themselves, but like you I didn't like having only two choices when many times the actual answer was somewhere in between. Regardless, I think my "type" would have ended up being the same. I am a hopeless romantic and optimist, hate conflict (too much stinking "drama" in my younger years), and have a hard time being ugly to anyone until they have thoroughly used up my (in my opinion quite extensive) stores of understanding and compassion. I'm much more likely to go postal on someone who is hurting someone I care about than to someone who is hurting ME. Not always the best quality, IMO, but there is is.
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So really... You loved this test? Or you hated this test?
 
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DennisWisconsin wrote :
So really... You loved this test? Or you hated this test?
No, and no. Whatever "names" any particular test tends to use for its results categories, I always end up in this same general vicinity. I'm soft-hearted and emotional, probably too much for my own good. That has sometimes kept me mired in some unhealthy relationships (male and female) over the years where I had no business being, but I am who I am. Am I supposed to turn into a bitter old hag (or whatever label "they" would put on that) at this stage of my life just because being me has gotten me hurt or used in the past? Why not just do what I've learned to do in the first place from these experiences and extricate myself from toxic people as soon as I recognize them to be such, before they succeed in poisoning ME?
 
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