notyet is offline notyet Post #1  November 27,2009, 8:53am
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while perusing other eHa christian groups this morning, i came across a post from almost a year ago that i thought would be worth sharing. i have copied the first part below. the link to the entire post is here.


YaHWeH and g-d, are they the same being?

YaHWeH is the Scriptural (Hebrew) name for the Creator. G-D is the Modern English name for Deity. Are they the same being? Maybe, but then, maybe not -- you decide. However, the Modern English word G-D derives from the Ancient Canaanite word GAWD (the exact same pronunciation).

Gad is a Syrian or Canaanite deity of good luck or fortune. In Hebrew, it is written GD, but with Massoretic vowel-pointing, it is "Gad." Other Scriptural references to a similar deity, also written GD, have a vowel-pointing giving us "Gawd" or "G-d." Gad is identified with Jupiter, the Sky-deity or the Sun-deity.

The word "G-d" (or rather, g-d) is a title, but not a proper name. In English Bibles the word is sometimes translating the Hebrew Elohim (or elohim), El (or el), and Eloah. In the Greek Scriptures the word translates the Greek word "theos". Both the Hebrew and Greek "root" meaning is "Mighty one" or "Powerful one," and is applicable to terrestrial and celestial beings. However, it is most often incorrectly used as a substitute for the Hebrew Tetragrammaton (YHWH). Transliterated as YaHWeH, or YAHUWEH pronounced YAH-OO-AY.

According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, God is the common Teutonic word for a personal object of religious worship, applied to all the superhuman beings of the heathen mythologies. The word "god" on the conversion of the Teutonic races to Christianity was adopted as the name of the One Supreme Being. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and Webster's Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged agree that the origin is Teutonic paganism.

In Indo-Germanic dictionaries, only one word resembles "god." It is ghodh and is pronounced the same. This word means union, also sexual union or mating. According to Luneburger Wörterbuch, the following are the same word: Gott, Goda, got, gode, gade, g-d and guth (gud).

The Ancient Canaanite idol who was named God (Gawd) is even mentioned in the Torah in Yeshayahu 65:11&12

11. "You are those who forsake YaHWeH who forget My special mountain, who prepare a table for Gawd (G-d the Canaanite idol), and who furnish a drink offering for Meni (G-d’s wife),

12. "Therefore, I shall allot you for the sword and you will all bow down for the slaughter because I called and you did not answer, I spoke and you did not hear, and you did evil before My eyes, and chose that in which I did not delight."

IF the Scriptures are 100% accurate -

Then God and YaHWeH are NOT the same. And God worshipers are condemned by the Creator YaHWeH.

If you understand these facts, and claim to believe and perfectly obey the Scriptures, but yet lay claim to worship the deity called God, then youare a hypocrite.

IF, however, the Scriptures are simply the writings of men, then YaHWeH is simply the Hebrew concept of the Creator, and God is an Ancient Canaanite God as well as the Modern English counterpart concept of the Creator.

Only YOU(free will) must decide whether or not "YaHWeH" and "god, God, G-d, g-d, Gad, gad" are the same.

QUESTION:

But how can you say that "God" is NOT the name of the Creator according to the Scriptures? My Bible(babaal) says that "God" is the Creator, and it never even mentions the name "YaHWeH."

Also, ISAIAH 65:11 in my Bible speaks of "the LORD" as the Creator, and the Canaanite idol is named "Gad" not "God."

ANSWER:

It is true that most English Bibles(babaal) refer to the Creator as "the LORD" and "God" rather than "YaHWeH." It is also true that most English Bibles do not give "God" as the name of the Canaanite idol in (Yeshayahu) ISAIAH 65:11. It is "that Troop" or "Fortune" or "Gad" etc.

First of all, the Scriptures were originally written in Hebrew andAramaic, NOT English. The English is only a translation, and translations are subject to errors, and to the erroneous opinions of the translators.

Quite frankly, it is VERY EASY to prove that the name of the Creator, according to the Torah is YaHWeH. It is SO EASY and there are SO MANY REFERENCES to verify this, that we will simply ask you to do a little work (VERY LITTLE) to look up the name YaHWeH in any good encyclopedia and see for yourself.

However, proving that "YaHWeH" and "God" are completely different, according to the Scriptures, is somewhat more difficult, because, as you CORRECTLY stated, most English Bibles call the Creator "God" and not "YaHWeH."

Therefore, let us follow this simple line of reasoning,

#1) The Creator is named "YaHWeH" (EASILY proven).

#2) YaHWeH is often called "God" in many English Bibles, but "YaHWeH" is NEVER referred to by a word that is pronounced "Gid" (Gawd) in the Hebrew text. The most common Hebrew title that is translated as "God" is the Hebrew word "Elohim." Many might say that even though this Hebrew word "Elohim" is not PRONOUNCED "God", it MEANS "God." It is true that in our MODERN ENGLISH "God" has much the same meaning as the Hebrew word "Elohim" however, the point was that "God" and "Yahweh" are two different beings. And, all will admit that the Torah was ORIGINALLY written in Hebrew. So, even though we will agree that "Elohim" is usually translated as "God" we must say that this is NOT the CORRECT way to translate the Hebrew word "Elohim." It should be "Mighty One."

#3) This will take a little more effort on your part. If you learn the Hebrew alphabet, and the sounds of the Hebrew letters (it’s really not hard to do), you can look up Yeshayahu 65:11 in any Hebrew Interlinear, or simply look up the name of the Canaanite idol ("Troop" in the King James Bible), and you will see that this name "Gawd" is pronounced "God."

Summary

According to the Scriptures, YaHWeH & and g-d are NOT the same beings, "god" is an idol, (any object of worship).
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So I take it you didn't spend your day shopping...

Just kidding.

I'd chime in with some incredible words of wisdom, but it's honestly a subject I haven't had the time to study. I'd love to hear what others have to say as well, though.
 
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i don't have any great words of wisdom- but i do have an observation or two...

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notyet wrote :
I currently attend a messianic congregation (a church of predominately jewish christians- people who grew up with the jewish faith in one form or another and later confessed jesus as messiah). i go there because they teach more bible form the pulpit than any other church i have attended here is seattle. but they are really hung up on words and language.

they repeat the shema, dueteronomy 6:4, every service in hebrew. the never say jesus and absolutely never refer to him as "christ." they say yeshua ha'maschiac... which means, yes that's right! jesus christ.

i've learned a lot there- which is why i tolerate it. but we speak english here- i think. the proclivity to always reference back and speak the divine names in hebrew strikes me as an extreme form of what those do who insist on only using the King James Bible! (incidentally, that church also uses the KJV...)
Part of being Jew is some serious hardcore respect for heritage and tradition. From what I understand in my limited experience, you are automatically a Jew from birth if your mother is one, though they'll obviously let you convert if she isn't. But it's a religion and a culture and a bloodline, all rolled up into one. The messianics are really straddling a tough wall because they are honoring the Jewish traditions while also (according to their families) worshipping an idol in Christ, and in doing so, breaking one of the ten commandments.

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But in the end, GOD knows our heart. and as a stranger may mangle my name and struggle to pronounce it correctly-i think GOD is sovereign enough to figure out what i am trying to say and how i am trying to address him.

i hate to sound soft but i think it is the language of our heart and our actions in how we treat others that is important.

if our salvation depends on how correctly we articulate the name of the creator, we are probably all doomed
That's pretty much what I'm counting on, since that whole "perfect obedience" thing continues to elude me. If I have to get the names right too, I might as well start getting that fireproof suit ready now...
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A smidgen off topic perhaps, but is it true that Christian Jews tend to be much more fervent in their faith than Gentile Christians?

I do know a few Messianic Jews, but not enough to make a general observation.
 
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i find messianics not much different than most of those who are saved later in life- they seem to become zealots in the extreme... like my mother... just with a jewish bent.

most of them at our church are kosher. when the children attend a youth function- everyone brings their own meat. g-d forbid you eat the wrong kind of hotdog.

i would not call the congregation we attend fervent but religious- and not in the good sense. what saves the experience is the teaching from the pulpit and the heart of the people. they truly desire to do right and serve god. they are sincere- not that i believe sincerity will get you into heaven. and the preacher gives more bible instruction in one sermon than many others do in six months. but they are VERY bound up in the law.

it reminds me a lot of the nazarene church i was raised in. very legalistic. but with a desire to follow god. no place is perfect. i am not perfect either. but this congregation and my family are learning to tolerate and fellowship together.

the children and i are looking forward to sabbath services tomorrow and greeting everyone there, "shabbat shalom."
 
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