notyet is offline notyet Post #81  November 29,2009, 7:25pm
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...Some of my friends leave me with the impression that I'll need a Republican voter's registration card to get into heaven...
isn't it part of inspired scripture? my zondervon niv came with one bound into the bible right after leviticus...
 
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rix is offline rix Post #82  November 30,2009, 5:03am
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Sigh! Yes. I'm appreciative that our government opted for separation of church and state. I would get a long much better with my Christian friends if they could separate righteousness from political affiliation. Some of my friends leave me with the impression that I'll need a Republican voter's registration card to get into heaven.
... Ever read Bernt Engelmann's In Hitler's Germany? It is fantastic.
You didn't know that God is a conservative Republican? I attended a Christian college. The head of the Youth Ministries department was a Democrat by affiliation. One time he remarked that all the other professors wondered if he was even "saved." But, it was in that atmosphere that I realized what the Religious Right's vision for America would mean. I shudder to think if all of America were ran like a Christian college/organization. Ever read Margaret Atwater's The Handmaid's Tale (or seen the movie)? She did a fair job of capturing that vision in her novel.

As for the resource you mentioned, I'm unfamiliar with it. I'm surprised, since I have an upstairs bedroom full of books solely on history (mostly Second World War/Medieval studies). I guess I'll have to do an Amazon search!
 
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You didn't know that God is a conservative Republican?
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isn't it part of inspired scripture? my zondervon niv came with one bound into the bible right after leviticus...
What a relief! I can just buy one of those and get a sneak into heaven card!
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they made The Handmaid's Tail into a movie, that's strange, but so was the book. I still have my demacratic card, but after they all went back and voted aganst the wishes of the people I think that that I well ditch them too. Oh by the way I was looking at the first amandment and I did not see seperation of church and state, but did see NO state religon.
 
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After writing my last post, I reflected upon my Christian college experience. I remember one time when I volunteered to be an RA, or "Resident Assistant," in the dorms. The Dean of Women and Dean of Men, among a few others, put all of us potential RAs together at a round table. Then, they presented us with a rather troubling scenario. It was the classic "the lifeboat can hold only so many" scenario, so who would you choose to throw overboard, with the noted exception of it being a nuclear bomb-shelter. However, the fact that they would pose such a question was troublesome. Members of the group started offering solutions based upon "Christian" affiliation, and who would contribute more to the rebuilding of a "Christian" society after the fallout. First of all, I was troubled by the question. Secondly, I was troubled by the utilitarian solutions, and I expressed those feelings. Needless to say, I did not become an RA, since I "did not play well with others."

But, how contrary to Christ's inverted paradigm of the Kingdom of Heaven, in which the least is the greatest, and the special needs individual may have more esteem in the Almighty's eyes, than the most productive member of society. After all, the Nazis did not begin their "final solution" with European Jewry, they began their extermination program with the mentally ill, retarded, handicapped, and those they deemed "unfit to live." Does building the perfect "Christian civilization" involve getting rid of those who hinder, impede, or are unable to contribute to building the perfect "city of God" on earth?
 
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It was the classic "the lifeboat can hold only so many" scenario, so who would you choose to throw overboard, with the noted exception of it being a nuclear bomb-shelter.
Seriously? I think I would have laughed on my way out the door. Sort of pointless exercise in futility. As if those 1960s bomb shelters would have actually protected anyone or that you would be doing anyone a favor by preserving their lives only to die of starvation or from the nuclear fallout after emerging.

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However, the fact that they would pose such a question was troublesome. Members of the group started offering solutions based upon "Christian" affiliation, and who would contribute more to the rebuilding of a "Christian" society after the fallout. First of all, I was troubled by the question. Secondly, I was troubled by the utilitarian solutions, and I expressed those feelings. Needless to say, I did not become an RA, since I "did not play well with others."
And likely became tops of the list of those who could be chucked overboard.

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...Does building the perfect "Christian civilization" involve getting rid of those who hinder, impede, or are unable to contribute to building the perfect "city of God" on earth?
So much for "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." God would be kind of useless in such a city full of perfect people.

It is kind of amusing given Christ chose a bunch of fishermen and tax collectors to start His church to think how many would be thrown overboard as unworthy. Ah well. My impression is that God is more the capable of making the unworthy ones survive while the fallout shelter collapses on the heads of the chosen ones. I'm very happy that God is not as picky about who He loves and uses for His glory as mankind is.
 
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Yikes, I'd be troubled with that "round table" experience too. I can't understand it.

"He who would be greatest of all, would be servant to all."

Jesus is the God of the lowly. That makes me a perfect fit for a God like Him.
 
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...The Dean of Women and Dean of Men, among a few others, put all of us potential RAs together at a round table. Then, they presented us with a rather troubling scenario. It was the classic "the lifeboat can hold only so many" scenario, so who would you choose to throw overboard, with the noted exception of it being a nuclear bomb-shelter...
did anyone volunteer to stay out of the shelter so that there would be room for one more?
 
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The point of such an exercise is to have that discussion about how we rank and value people and to discuss the issues brought up by that...given that our society is so driven by establishing pecking orders and rankings, I think it's a good thing to bring that discussion out in the open and shine light on it rather than ignore it because our behavior makes us uncomfortable. Looking down on that activity in the way I'm seeing here kind of misses the point of it.
 
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The point of such an exercise is to have that discussion about how we rank and value people and to discuss the issues brought up by that...given that our society is so driven by establishing pecking orders and rankings, I think it's a good thing to bring that discussion out in the open and shine light on it rather than ignore it because our behavior makes us uncomfortable. Looking down on that activity in the way I'm seeing here kind of misses the point of it.
But this was in a Christian setting.

I understand the value of such an exercise in the secular world.

Are we to comform ourselves to this world? Do we not have completely different principles to live by?

By the same logic, I would not bring a spiritual exercise to a secular arena. It just wouldn't fit. Wouldn't be appropriate.
 
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