meri75 is offline meri75 Post #41  October 23,2009, 9:09pm
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How many wives and concubines did Abraham have? Is there a single woman in the bible that has more then one husband? The bibles roles for women was mainly to be virgin brides, obedient wives, and loving mothers. The biblical view of women reflects nothing so much as the archaic bronze aged views of the men who wrote it.
The Bible records Abraham as being married first to Sarah and after her death, to Keturah. As the Bible also references his 'sons of his concubines' obviously he had them. Hagar is a bit confusing, in my version she's referred to as both a maidservant and a wife.

Yes, it does - if you view the Bible as a history book only. Many Christians view the Bible as the Living Word of God. I would probably be called a Fundamentalist - in that I believe the Bible to God-breathed or God-inspired. I also believe God to be all-knowing ... why would He write through men words which fail to hold significance and meaning for the generations to come?

Have you read all the Bible? Or verses which are of interest to you on certain topics? (Am asking out of interest only)
 
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Would you find a woman unsuitable as a spouse because she was not a virgin before you married her?
 
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Would you find a woman unsuitable as a spouse because she was not a virgin before you married her?
It only seems fair to ask women the same question, so as to apply the same standard to both genders. Ladies, would you marry a man who was not a virgin?

I can only speak for myself and yes, I can and I am going to do just that on May 8, 2010. My fiance is not a virgin. This is not an issue for me. I am a virgin. My virginity is something he highly values in me and he has committed to waiting for sex until we are married. In fact, he made the decision to wait long before he ever met me. As he tells me, he has learned the value of waiting the hard way. Waiting is not the easier of the two choices, but for us, it's worth it. It has drawn us closer to each other and to God as we have turned to Him for help to get us through those times when it seems that everything in us is screaming, "Don't stop!!" The one thing that is important for us is that we stay close to each other in those times. We don't go to separate corners and try to deal with things alone. We talk. We hold hands. We pray together. It is in those times when we choose not to cross that line that we actually grow closer. We use those times to build on our communication and connection and we become more intimate without becoming more physical or having sex.
 
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I believe it is important to note the context of many passages that have been quoted. Corinth was a very sexually depraved city. It made San Francisco look like Ozzie and Harriet's world. Therefore, the Apostle Paul was trying to get a handle on an out of control situation. It hardly relates to consenting adults in a monogamous relationship.

But, to address the question - is virginity relevant? Only if you marry your high school sweetheart. Otherwise, you are S.O.L.

Basically, this is a commentary on the state of affairs in the church, and society as a whole. As society, as a whole, becomes incrementally more immoral with the passage of time; rather than distancing itself further from the corrupting influence of society, the Church, as a whole, has maintained a parallel course.
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rix wrote :
...Basically, this is a commentary on the state of affairs in the church, and society as a whole. As society, as a whole, becomes incrementally more immoral with the passage of time; rather than distancing itself further from the corrupting influence of society, the Church, as a whole, has maintained a parallel course.
unfortunately too true- if you look at statistics comparing "the church" with the world, one sees the same things happening with the same frequency. abortion, promiscuity, violence- you name it, the church does it at the same rate as the unchurched. it is a sad commentary on our witness to the world.
 
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I believe it is important to note the context of many passages that have been quoted. Corinth was a very sexually depraved city. It made San Francisco look like Ozzie and Harriet's world. Therefore, the Apostle Paul was trying to get a handle on an out of control situation. It hardly relates to consenting adults in a monogamous relationship.

But, to address the question - is virginity relevant? Only if you marry your high school sweetheart. Otherwise, you are S.O.L.

Basically, this is a commentary on the state of affairs in the church, and society as a whole. As society, as a whole, becomes incrementally more immoral with the passage of time; rather than distancing itself further from the corrupting influence of society, the Church, as a whole, has maintained a parallel course.
True. But I think it should be noted that Paul's letters were to the Christian people at Corinth practising all kinds of sexual depravity - not to the wider Corinthian population. Paul also speaks about how it is right for Christians to marry and I believe he also says something about if you cannot wait, you should marry. At least, I think that was Paul - I can't find the scripture right now.

When you say/write 'the Church' are you referencing Christianity, or the Roman Catholic faith? In Australia, 'the Church' means the Roman Catholic faith, not Christianity.
 
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It only seems fair to ask women the same question, so as to apply the same standard to both genders. Ladies, would you marry a man who was not a virgin?
Yes, if he is not a virgin through a previous marriage.

Unsure - if he is a not a virgin through a string (I do not mean one - I mean a string) of relationships.
 
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Where did you ever get the idea that verginity isn't relevent anymore? Just because contemporary mores no longer consider verginity desirable doesn't mean anything. We Christians are called to be a peculiar people; seperate from this secular world and not conformed to sociatial standarts. The Apostle Paul outlined in 1 Cor. 7 just how we can do that and in Heb. 13:4 he made it pretty clear how marriage is the only acceptibe venue for sex.
 
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I think physical virginity is possible, however I am not so sure about visual virginity, what we see/hear in television entertainment and popular films. I think virginity though (figuratively) will always be relevant to Christ's body whether we uphold it or not ;c)
 
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My understanding of Peppermint's post was that the sacrifice asked of us is 'giving up sex' not 'giving up virginity' and if we're not willing to give up the sex just because God asked us to then we're not really wanting to follow God.
Did I read that right?
Thanks Kevin, I'm late to this but that's exactly what I was saying. Sacrifice is a central tenant of the Christian faith and if we're trying to rationalize something as non-essential as sex, then we have some deeper questions about our faith and commitment to God to ask ourselves.
 
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