Adrienne89 is offline Adrienne89 Post #11  October 18,2009, 12:49pm
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The New Testament Greek word for "fornication" is "porneia", which means harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry. The NKJ renders "fornication" as "sexual immorality". The NIV renders it as "marital unfaithfulness/infidelity." Ergo, premarital sex in a loving and caring relationship is upheld as long as adultery, incest or marital unfaithfulness does not occur.
 
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I have to disagree with you. The in the context of a "loving and caring" relationship arguement may help to salve an individual's conscience, but it does not pass the Biblical litmus test. I Corinthians 7:1-9.
Its not a matter of finding a loophole other humans will accept, its matter of being able live your life facing God.
 
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Adrienne89 wrote :
The New Testament Greek word for "fornication" is "porneia", which means harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry. The NKJ renders "fornication" as "sexual immorality". The NIV renders it as "marital unfaithfulness/infidelity." Ergo, premarital sex in a loving and caring relationship is upheld as long as adultery, incest or marital unfaithfulness does not occur.
Um - have you looked up the word porneiva in a Greek Dictionary? It most definitely is not restricted to the meaning you believe it to be, and fornication is one of its meanings. And therefore your conclusion is not supported.

Once again, would you please quote the Scriptures you believe support your viewpoint? Thank you.
 
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4Let marriage be had in honor among all, and let the bed be undefiled: for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

3For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

What more do you need to know?
 
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kevin76 is offline kevin76 Post #15  October 19,2009, 8:22am
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peppermint4209 wrote :
I think a bigger question is what are you willing to give up if God asks you? I don't believe virginity in itself is that big a deal, but I do believe that it is a huge sacrifice, which is what we as Christians are requested to make and which can be an amazing testament of faith. If you're not willing to give up something as non-essential to individual survival as sex, what are you willing to let go of?
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are you saying that god may ask us to fornicate? to sin? to go against what he has expressly forbidden?
My understanding of Peppermint's post was that the sacrifice asked of us is 'giving up sex' not 'giving up virginity' and if we're not willing to give up the sex just because God asked us to then we're not really wanting to follow God.
Did I read that right?
 
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Further thought: if you truly loved and were fully committed to a romantic partner, then why would you deny them marriage? Why be fully intimate with someone in some aspects of your relationship and yet turn a cold shoulder in others?
 
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cardguy wrote :
Further thought: if you truly loved and were fully committed to a romantic partner, then why would you deny them marriage? Why be fully intimate with someone in some aspects of your relationship and yet turn a cold shoulder in others?
It takes time to build a foundation together and learn how eachother reacts and responds to certian situations. When physical connection is left out of the mix then we are better suited to manage our emotions.

I have been in a relationship in the near past that we have refrained from the physical. We even had wounderful long talks together for hours and had many things in common. The deciding factor is if it is the will of God for our lives to marry. We discussed marriage and that was our final goal for the relationship but it turned out that God had someone more suited for me. We have been getting to know eachother and we are waiting to determine what Gods will is for us and not our own will.

Many marriages fail due to the couple NOT doing the work up front and when all of the pressures of life build up they have no foundation laid to stand together upon. So when the storms come and the waves pound upon the shore of their life the foundation in undermined and the house falls. The scripture tell of two foundations. One that is rock, speaking of the will of God and of Christ, The other is of sand. The sand speaking of our emotional lusts and desires that cause us to be moved back and forth. Like the sand of the shore when the tide comes in it is difficult to stand and keep ballance. The same goes in relationships with our desires and lusts. If that is what we are standing on then we are instore for a fall.

The question to all here and I have posted the scripture already. It says that the will of God is to abstain from fornication.

Do you want Gods will or your own will for your life?
 
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I thought I could do whatever I want and ask for forgiveness later. That's what God promises he will do right? He says all will be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness right? I wouldn't expect God to go back on his word.
 
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dwreese182 wrote :
I thought I could do whatever I want and ask for forgiveness later. That's what God promises he will do right? He says all will be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness right? I wouldn't expect God to go back on his word.
As long as we live there is a chance for forgiveness - but sin is destructive, and forgiveness will not erase all the pain and suffering that sin causes.
If I play around with women's hearts and take advantage of them for my own short-term pleasure, I will cause damage both to them and to myself that may never be repaired, even by saying a quick 'sorry' a few minutes before I die.

The attitude of a Christian should be to hate the destruction and death that sin causes, to see it as God sees it - a disease that kills the heart and soul.
 
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dwreese182 wrote :
I thought I could do whatever I want and ask for forgiveness later. That's what God promises he will do right? He says all will be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness right? I wouldn't expect God to go back on his word.
Asking for forgiveness isn't a rote step, it comes from repentance. If one has some advance plan to sin a lot and then ask for forgiveness later I wouldn't count on being forgiven, as there one's heart is not regretting the past action and wishing to turn from those ways, but rather hoping for a get out of jail free card that doesn't change how you live your life.

That's not to say that even if you approached life this way you couldn't have a genuine change if your thinking and repent from your past plan, but asking forgiveness is about having a heart that wants to turn towards God, not uttering some incantation that magically erases sin no matter your motive for saying it.
 
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