notyet is offline notyet Post #1  October 14,2009, 4:51pm
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...is that so many blindly follow/accept "science" when many scientists themselves will admit they do not have all of the answers. and in fact have more questions all the time.

take the evolution of man as an example (why not pick a biggie?)

first, we are told we evolved from apes. then, we did not evolve from them but had a common ancestor- one of those ancestors was neanderthal. then, well maybe we did not evolve from him. he was a genetic dead-end. next, they co-existed with homosapien in europe at the same time. but they did not interbreed. i believe the latest is that they could have interbred because they are homosapien after all- just a different branch on the family tree.

which is it? and when will it change again? what is the absolute answer provided by darwinian evolutionary scientists that we must accept today before they change history (i chose that word for a reason- see earlier posts) again?

it is interesting that "intelligent" people blindly accept the tenets of "science" and then condemn people of faith for having "blind" faith

this is a free-for-all. have at it. be nice and have fun! but be careful, ya might learn something...
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notyet is offline notyet Post #2  October 14,2009, 5:31pm
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i just do not really understand why it is OK to accept the constantly changing "truth" of "science" but not accept the truth taught in the bible that has not changed for thousands of years.

even those who think that moses did not write the pentateuch or daniel and isaiah their eponymous books would agree that the old testament has been handed down to us unchanged for at least two thousand years- i think.
 
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What the hey, I know next to nothing, so that makes me the perfect person to comment, right?

I think giant leaps of "faith" are made on both sides, with the Christians trying to say humans had no impact on what we hold in our hands as the Bible today, and the scientific community taking "most likely" or "probably" as fact when often it's really just an educated guess based on interpolation of other educated guesses.

So I ask a lot of questions of both sides and accept nothing just because someone thinks I ought to.

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Chawks, I couldn't agree with you more about the necessity of verifiable sources. I never believe what someone tells me without some solid backing.

Before I buy anything over $50.00, I check quality control reports. I don't have the time or resources to deal with faulty merchandise. I am no picnic to car salesmen or to Realtors, either. But I have never purchased a lemon and my house was deemed immaculate by the Home Inspector. He was speaking in broader terms than just cleanliness. He meant in the actual functions of the house in it's entirety. This my eighth year in my home and Mr. Home Inspector was right!

So to say I look before I leap is an understatement.

Now back on topic. I became a Christian as a young teenager in a very difficult circumstance. Nonetheless before I accepted Christ, I did not buy the notion that the Bible was God's Word because the church people said so. I asked question after question of the poor Youth Pastor at the church I attended.

Josh McDowell has a series of books and dvds that delve into this matter. "Evidence Demands a Verdict " is the title of the series. The books are hard reads,but the video series is less dry.

There are other sources that deal with the authenticity of the Bible. It is not a one night tutorial by any means. But the more you learn the stronger your walk as a Christian will be.
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jsbach wrote :
Reason for edit: Believe but verify
My favorite part of the whole post (which was all quite good, by the way)!
 
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Perhaps because there is no "scientific" evidence that God exists. (sorry I couldn't resist)

Seriously (and remember I know way, way, way less than Chawks), perhaps it's because scientists can provide evidence that the neanderthal did exist, yet haven't uncovered everything about them.
 
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I love this thread because it's filled with cute blondes and magical fairies.
 
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Perhaps because there is no "scientific" evidence that God exists. (sorry I couldn't resist)

Seriously (and remember I know way, way, way less than Chawks), perhaps it's because scientists can provide evidence that the neanderthal did exist, yet haven't uncovered everything about them.
Hi Tinks!

This is the start of where things and facts can get a little sketchy. Just using the "Neanderthal" man for one example. Fossils and relics of long, long ago can be so changeable. Simply because as you said everything hasn't been uncovered.

Remember the Brontosauras? (I think a Brontosauras Burger was offered at a fastfood restaurant on the Flintstones.)
It NEVER existed, EVER. A dinosaur skeleton (sans head) was discovered and so to make it complete a scientist added a dino skull he found 3-4 miles away from the original discovery.

Anyhoo, what is now deemed acurate is that the skeleton belonged to a type of Diplodocus and the skull was from an Apatosaurus. For a hundred years the "Brontosaurus" was the best known dino for millions of people. Perhaps the first scientist was too eager to get his name in the books.

Most info we have today about long ago comes from footprints and fossils. Even the best fossils can be like a jigsaw puzzle with many pieces missing. Someone found a set of human-like bones that they named "Neanderthal Man." So is this proof? Could future discoveries discount the existence of N.Man.?

Sometimes a fossil is petrified. You know, when rock replaces a bone (or plant.) Thus furthering the guess work.

As far as proof of God.........let that be another time. But that is also a great concept to explore.

Time for me to shut up.
 
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notyet wrote :
i just do not really understand why it is OK to accept the constantly changing "truth" of "science" but not accept the truth taught in the bible that has not changed for thousands of years.

even those who think that moses did not write the pentateuch or daniel and isaiah their eponymous books would agree that the old testament has been handed down to us unchanged for at least two thousand years- i think.
I agree. In fact, Science class in High School was causal to me seeking Christianity, because I could not believe that I am supposed to be alive due to an explosion, followed by millions of years of evolving lifeforms. I know I have really over-simplified those two concepts, but I feel no differently 20 years later.
 
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jsbach wrote :
...what is now deemed acurate...
and see, that is my point.

wait long enough and "science" will tell you that what you knew before was not accurate and that you now must believe this new thing.
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