FaithNGod is offline FaithNGod Post #1  August 2,2009, 6:38pm
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I have just learned the coeuri is acting as moderator for this thread.

What happened to free speach rights.

This is a public forum and I take responsibility for what I post here.

If I offended anyone, are we not all adults here.

You are welcome to confront me and if I offend you I will ask your forgiveness.

I am offended that she has deleted some of my posts. She is to close and not imparshall enough.

As far as I am concerned she does not have the right to sensor our words.

Are we going to become like the Nazzi's

I would like to hear from those who agree or disagree with me.
 
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FaithNGod is offline FaithNGod Post #2  August 2,2009, 8:03pm
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To all here, it has been brought to my attention by coeuri that I have offended your feelings and caused you to shrink back.

I am deeply sorry and would like to ask your forgiveness. I know that I can come on strong. I invite you to share with me how I have offended you.

I am sincere in my desire. I appreciate coeuri in bringing this to my attention. We can be honest with oneanother.
 
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Maybe if you eased up on the tone and quantity of your posts for a bit, people might be a little more willing to consider your opinions without automatically getting defensive.
 
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Freedom of Speech and Censorship are very important to me.

I'm Australian. The Australian Consititution does not have a specific provision relating to the Freedom of Speech. In certain situations, legislation has been passed allowing Free Speech to be restricted or censored.

It angers me terribly to see censorship happening around me, and to be on the receiving end of censorship. After a little while and some discussions with my friend (who is older, far, FAR wiser than I'll ever be; and the big brother I never had) I realised that I DO have a choice WRT censorship ... or what I perceive to be censorship.

I can choose to wallow in my anger, frustration and resentment OR I can try to see what it was that resulted in censorship. I find it easier to spot this when the censorship is directed at me ... after I have cooled down. Because I look like this: and I cannot reason clearly when I am all red, shaking and ready to burst into tears at the slightest provocation.

I have mostly learned that it is not about me - but about preserving or ensuring the welfare of others.

Craig, I'd really, really like to encourage you to let the offense you feel go. I am concerned it will only serve to hurt you further. Here is a Scripture I often turn to for encouragement:

Proverbs 3:5-6 (NIV) "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Too true.
 
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Wow, FNG, you DON'T listen. If you check, there is not one of your posts that has been deleted so you are choosing to be inflamatory without truth. Please be careful. This is not the first time in the group that you have chosen to try to make your point by knocking down someone else.

If you check this group out, you will find I am in this position for the very reason that free speech has been allowed and that we care enough to try to give as much voice as we can to those who feel they have the answers and to those who still are struggling with the questions.

Reread the emails with the idea of hearing what I ACTUALLY said. There is a reason for moderators and I have deleted about 3 posts by other posters in the past due to something that poster said that could incite others to something that is seen as a crime. Some know what I mean, others don't.

I have also, in accordance to the wishes of those closest to a person, ended a thread that specifically talked about a person no longer present. I will stand by what I do, including that I have tried to email privately with you instead of continuing this dialogue on the forum.

It was free speech when prejudice was visited on the slaves, when violence erupts between different cultural groups. But there is the knowledge, even in the Bible that there is need of governance in places. I have chosen to use my voice to try to reason. I will stand on that irregardless of mistakes I make.

My heart hurts for you, Craig. This is not the first time you have judged someone without knowing all the facts.
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I do have a question for the group though. I would not leave a thread on here directly attacking a poster on here. That steps beyond free speech to abusively using rights. The right would be given to the subject of the thread as to whether or not they would be willing to let it continue.

The unfortunate thing of having been ask to help in this fashion, as a leader in this group, is that, to do it for myself, would be called censorship by the original poster. What is the group feeling on this. Is this a thread you believe has a place in this discussion, or does it feel as much to you like someone is trying to defame a person. Your choice since I have been trying to use that leadership to protect your right to speak.
 
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meri75 wrote :
Freedom of Speech and Censorship are very important to me.

I'm Australian. The Australian Consititution does not have a specific provision relating to the Freedom of Speech. In certain situations, legislation has been passed allowing Free Speech to be restricted or censored.

It angers me terribly to see censorship happening around me, and to be on the receiving end of censorship. After a little while and some discussions with my friend (who is older, far, FAR wiser than I'll ever be; and the big brother I never had) I realised that I DO have a choice WRT censorship ... or what I perceive to be censorship.

I can choose to wallow in my anger, frustration and resentment OR I can try to see what it was that resulted in censorship. I find it easier to spot this when the censorship is directed at me ... after I have cooled down. Because I look like this: and I cannot reason clearly when I am all red, shaking and ready to burst into tears at the slightest provocation.

I have mostly learned that it is not about me - but about preserving or ensuring the welfare of others.

Craig, I'd really, really like to encourage you to let the offense you feel go. I am concerned it will only serve to hurt you further. Here is a Scripture I often turn to for encouragement:

Proverbs 3:5-6 (NIV) "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Too true.
I want to thankyou for being so sensible. I believe your are a ballenced woman and have a ballenced view here. I appreciate this about you.

I feel coeuri is biased against me. She has expressed her concerns that If you can find them I had agreed with her that I needed to be more sensitive.

Here was my next post after.

Please allow me to minister to you concerning this issue.

but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Did Jesus bring the abuse upon Himself? No he didnt and I am sure that you didn't bring your abuse upon your self either!

You are in good company when it comes to this. Jesus knows exactly what you feel and probally 100 times greater. Because he was rejected by His father also.

I know your feelings are really big with this. But the only way to release these feelings is to focus on something else. Or someone else.

If you continue to focus on your self or even the abuser you will never find freedom. Rather focus on identifying with the sufferings of Christ.

More personally that He endured His abuse because He loved you so much. Think on that word (So) It is a insignificant word according to our language but when adjoined to Gods Love It speakes eternal volumes of Love toward you.

He has valued you and made you a vessle of honor. What love compares.

God so loved you that He endured abuse for you and me. Meditate on that for awile and let His love fill your heart.

Let me know if you see the underhanded remark she has made against me in her following post.

She says something about white washed seplecure of religiousosity.

This remark has undermined my desire to serve. My question is who moderates her. She has also accused me of having a hard heart. And judges me on my motives.

I appreciate you and know that you imparshal that is why I am sharing this with you. I believe you understand the difference of the sexs and our comunication styles.

If you have read all of my posts you see that I have nothing to hide. I also have expressed my desire to resolve any issue with whoever I have offended.

If she continues trying to censer me I could bring this before an imparshal administrator of Eharm.

Because I trust you. I am asking you to look into my claims and let me know what you think. If you dont see what I see then I am going to leave peacefully. I will go else where and not come back.

If you are un willing to do this for me then I will leave peacefully as well.

Thankyou
 
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coeuri wrote :
Wow, FNG, you DON'T listen. If you check, there is not one of your posts that has been deleted so you are choosing to be inflamatory without truth. Please be careful. This is not the first time in the group that you have chosen to try to make your point by knocking down someone else.

If you check this group out, you will find I am in this position for the very reason that free speech has been allowed and that we care enough to try to give as much voice as we can to those who feel they have the answers and to those who still are struggling with the questions.

Reread the emails with the idea of hearing what I ACTUALLY said. There is a reason for moderators and I have deleted about 3 posts by other posters in the past due to something that poster said that could incite others to something that is seen as a crime. Some know what I mean, others don't.

I have also, in accordance to the wishes of those closest to a person, ended a thread that specifically talked about a person no longer present. I will stand by what I do, including that I have tried to email privately with you instead of continuing this dialogue on the forum.

It was free speech when prejudice was visited on the slaves, when violence erupts between different cultural groups. But there is the knowledge, even in the Bible that there is need of governance in places. I have chosen to use my voice to try to reason. I will stand on that irregardless of mistakes I make.

My heart hurts for you, Craig. This is not the first time you have judged someone without knowing all the facts.

I am deeply sorry for my misunderstanding. Do you see how easy we can misunderstand eachother.

I thankyou for clearing this up with me.

One thing I do know is the you have put a limit on when my posts going through. This is so that you can examine what I have written before you release it to the public.

Is this true? yes or no

If yes, this is what I am talking about concerning your moderating that offends me.

I am purposeful in what I have to say and I dont appreciate you deciding what is alright to say. I have not cursed or disrespected anyone. If someone feeles that I had they are free to address me as a adult on their own.

I am not a little boy and I dont appreciate being treated like one.
I dont like you telling me How I am suposed to minister here like you do.

We see things differently let us just agree on this. I also out of respect for you started my own threads to express my views. Everyone has the right to not read what I post. They have the right to not respond to my posts. I will never censor anyone and welcome everyone. But I dont have to agree and they dont have to agree with me.

But if I disagree with someone I will express it and at least out of respect for them express why.
 
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meri75 wrote :
Freedom of Speech and Censorship are very important to me.

I'm Australian. The Australian Consititution does not have a specific provision relating to the Freedom of Speech. In certain situations, legislation has been passed allowing Free Speech to be restricted or censored.

It angers me terribly to see censorship happening around me, and to be on the receiving end of censorship. After a little while and some discussions with my friend (who is older, far, FAR wiser than I'll ever be; and the big brother I never had) I realised that I DO have a choice WRT censorship ... or what I perceive to be censorship.

I can choose to wallow in my anger, frustration and resentment OR I can try to see what it was that resulted in censorship. I find it easier to spot this when the censorship is directed at me ... after I have cooled down. Because I look like this: and I cannot reason clearly when I am all red, shaking and ready to burst into tears at the slightest provocation.

I have mostly learned that it is not about me - but about preserving or ensuring the welfare of others.

Craig, I'd really, really like to encourage you to let the offense you feel go. I am concerned it will only serve to hurt you further. Here is a Scripture I often turn to for encouragement:

Proverbs 3:5-6 (NIV) "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight." Too true.
(I can choose to wallow in my anger, frustration and resentment OR I can try to see what it was that resulted in censorship. I find it easier to spot this when the censorship is directed at me )

Again I apreciate your remarks. But please dont take my strong personality for anger or resentment.

I express my feelings verbally so they are not bottled up to become these.

I am still waiting for specific examples on my posts to prove the claimes against me. In how I have acted toward anyone.

What I see is people responding to their own concious concerning scripture I have posted. This is my perspective. right or wrong

I am not shy in expressing what my convictions are and what I believe. Everyone is free to have their own convictions. This I have expressed many times. I will keep expressing it if need be.

The way I get to know people is by asking questions. I am sorry if people take offense in this, but that is who I am. I like specifics to help me get the picture.

Because I know how dificult communication can be. Especially in this form that gives us pleanty of time to think on what someone says. With out the imediate interaction if their is misunderstandings.
 
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Is there possibly some confusion between eHA moderation and coeuri moderating? The website has it's own moderators that can hang up seemingly innocuous posts.
 
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