Sexual Acts vs. Sex- same sin?


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Sexual acts are not a sin. 0 0%
Sexual acts are sinful, but not as much as sexual intercourse. 1 50.00%
They are equivalent to sexual intercourse. 1 50.00%
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westeasterly is offline westeasterly Post #1  August 1,2009, 12:09pm
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This opinion question is really on behalf of my best friend. She is of the opinion that there is absolutely nothing wrong with engaging in sexual acts before marriage, as long as it stops short of sexual intercourse. Now, it seems obvious to me that this opinion is completely erroneous and goes against everything the bible has to say on the topic....but all of her close christian friends feel the same way, and I've found it virtually impossible to change her mind about this. The most I've ever gotten her to recognize is that it is still a sin, but her justification is that it's like comparing a small lie to murder- so she thinks it's kind of wrong, but not as wrong as this huge thing which is sex.

I feel like it's equally wrong, and that it's not so much an opinion question but rather biblical fact. But, I'm willing to accept that I could be missing something or in the minority opinion on this, so please, any input on this topic would be greatly appreciated!

PS- ironically, she's really frustrated with her dating life because she can't seem to find men who won't push for sex. In her mind, if they push for it then that's all they care about. My opinion is that if she's going to rush into everything but sex sometimes within 3 dates, it's going to be almost impossible for her to find the kind of guy she's looking for- she's sending all the wrong signals from the very beginning. But please, if I'm crazy and missing something, please tell me.
 
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There are always reasons why God has given us certain directions for living, this one is very practical and protects us from unnecessary harm.

Physical intimacy clouds the mind. Once a woman's body is involved common sense goes out the window.

Regardless of the religious connotations, physical intimacy should be avoided for sometime. Passion builds before you know who you're having sex with. That's backwards!!! The media does not help. For several decades the prevailing practice in movies and TV shows has been sex within the first 5 dates and you're then in love. In real life that practice is harmful to the mind and spirit. And love is an action once the infatuation is gone.

Imagine a piece of tape, you stick it on something. It sticks really well the first time. Then you pull it off, stick on to something else. Each time the tape is pulled off it gets less sticky and each time the tape is pulled it leaves something of itself behind. Soon there will no sticky left.
The tape is a the metaphor for the heart.
because a woman's body so closely tied to her emotions; we can not separate the two. It almost automatically latches on to the love word. Each time time she chooses to be sexually active and the relationship breaks up, she loses something of herself. Soon a good portion of herself is lost. Her self esteem is wrapped up her sex life. Instead she should be secure in who God made her to be without a mate and without sex.
In addition each time a relationship does ot work there needs to be sufficient time in between to heal, so she can regain some of what was lost.
When she marries the likelihood that the relationship will last deminishes. She has given her new husband nothing but a pile of baggage to deal with. Not the woman God intended her to be.
If she is willing to have sex there will be no shortage of men to take her up on it. If she were willing to wait she would get the ones that respect her for who she is not want her for what she does.
I had my girls all read I Kissed Dating Good Bye by Josh Harris. A lot of good information, even if she chooses not to follow it.
 
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MC, you are so right on there! Sometimes, analogies like you used ties into other thoughts with me so I am hoping you or others can somewhat follow my train of thought here.

We are so tied together, body and emotions .... and I would also add spirit. The big one for me is how many men and women feel that our faith should be left outside of the "bedroom door" so to speak. Can you imagine what it would be like to truly know the Song of Solomon type of truly appreciating everything about your partner? Of feeling so truly appreciated. I don't, but I want to know that the next relationship I am in allows that wonderful excelleration of allowing God to be a part of the wonder of what we share together.

As such, I can't answer your poll because it concentrates on the issue of sin instead of on the issue of the best God would want in my life or the life of others. The "sticky tape" parable, on the other hand" concentrates on the reality that each time I, or any other person, goes into a place that is so intimately attached to our souls, we need to be able to go there without having to separate ourselves from the one who loves us beyond all others, the one who does not want us to drink from the broken cisterns but instead offers us living water, who wants to give us wholeness. I think that is worth waiting for.
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westeasterly wrote :
This opinion question is really on behalf of my best friend. She is of the opinion that there is absolutely nothing wrong with engaging in sexual acts before marriage, as long as it stops short of sexual intercourse. Now, it seems obvious to me that this opinion is completely erroneous and goes against everything the bible has to say on the topic....but all of her close christian friends feel the same way, and I've found it virtually impossible to change her mind about this. The most I've ever gotten her to recognize is that it is still a sin, but her justification is that it's like comparing a small lie to murder- so she thinks it's kind of wrong, but not as wrong as this huge thing which is sex.

I feel like it's equally wrong, and that it's not so much an opinion question but rather biblical fact. But, I'm willing to accept that I could be missing something or in the minority opinion on this, so please, any input on this topic would be greatly appreciated!

PS- ironically, she's really frustrated with her dating life because she can't seem to find men who won't push for sex. In her mind, if they push for it then that's all they care about. My opinion is that if she's going to rush into everything but sex sometimes within 3 dates, it's going to be almost impossible for her to find the kind of guy she's looking for- she's sending all the wrong signals from the very beginning. But please, if I'm crazy and missing something, please tell me.
the bible is a guid line on how a people are to rule the people, god gave the kings [or leaders ]the right to make laws, if the rulers of the people are wrong than god will take care of them, so what do the laws of our land say on this subject?
 
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coeuri wrote :
MC, you are so right on there! Sometimes, analogies like you used ties into other thoughts with me so I am hoping you or others can somewhat follow my train of thought here.

We are so tied together, body and emotions .... and I would also add spirit. The big one for me is how many men and women feel that our faith should be left outside of the "bedroom door" so to speak. Can you imagine what it would be like to truly know the Song of Solomon type of truly appreciating everything about your partner? Of feeling so truly appreciated. I don't, but I want to know that the next relationship I am in allows that wonderful excelleration of allowing God to be a part of the wonder of what we share together.

As such, I can't answer your poll because it concentrates on the issue of sin instead of on the issue of the best God would want in my life or the life of others. The "sticky tape" parable, on the other hand" concentrates on the reality that each time I, or any other person, goes into a place that is so intimately attached to our souls, we need to be able to go there without having to separate ourselves from the one who loves us beyond all others, the one who does not want us to drink from the broken cisterns but instead offers us living water, who wants to give us wholeness. I think that is worth waiting for.

(we need to be able to go there without having to separate ourselves from the one who loves us beyond all others,)

I really appreciate this thought of yours, thankyou for posting it!
 
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coeuri wrote :
MC, you are so right on there! Sometimes, analogies like you used ties into other thoughts with me so I am hoping you or others can somewhat follow my train of thought here.

We are so tied together, body and emotions .... and I would also add spirit. The big one for me is how many men and women feel that our faith should be left outside of the "bedroom door" so to speak. Can you imagine what it would be like to truly know the Song of Solomon type of truly appreciating everything about your partner? Of feeling so truly appreciated. I don't, but I want to know that the next relationship I am in allows that wonderful excelleration of allowing God to be a part of the wonder of what we share together.

As such, I can't answer your poll because it concentrates on the issue of sin instead of on the issue of the best God would want in my life or the life of others. The "sticky tape" parable, on the other hand" concentrates on the reality that each time I, or any other person, goes into a place that is so intimately attached to our souls, we need to be able to go there without having to separate ourselves from the one who loves us beyond all others, the one who does not want us to drink from the broken cisterns but instead offers us living water, who wants to give us wholeness. I think that is worth waiting for.
I so long for that type of relationship. I was sitting in church today singing a praise song and my heart longed to be able to worship with someone. I have never had that. I can only imagine what a lovely experience it would be to add a spiritual element to a marriage relationship. I can't even fathom what love making would be like with someone whom I share my faith, who prays for me and I for him. Something to look forward to with great anticipation.
 
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