jeanie7 is offline jeanie7 Post #1  October 22,2008, 6:16am
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An acquaintance of mine asked me about my church. I told him about it, and he mentioned he might like to visit. He visited three times, and in those times I saw him talking to a guy, who is a member of the church. They always seemed to be in an intense conversation. After his third visit, I mentioned to him how I noticed that he and this member were always engaged in conversation. I said, “He is really a nice guy isn’t’ he?” The acquaintance said, “Yeah, but he seems brain washed?” I smiled real big and said, “He is, I am too, and so are all of us at World Harvest Church. The whole church is brain washed. People who don’t want their brains washed don’t stay.” The acquaintance never came back. I guess he didn’t want his brain washed. Where is my scripture for brainwashing?



Romans 12:1-2
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.



Ephesians 4:23-24
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.



Ephesians 5:25-26
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,


Sadly enough many become born again, but never go through the brain washing, or better known in the church world as, the renewing of the mind. Without the renewal of the mind there will be no change in your life. You may feel better once born again, but you can’t go forward in your new walk without a good brain washing.


I am delighted to be numbered with the brainwashed. My brain goes through a good washing daily as I get into the presence of God, in His Word, and mediation; and in addition at the church services throughout the week as well. It feels great to get your thinking straightened out.


If you’re not brainwashed, I would like to suggest it. It will change your life forever, and make what always seemed like a struggle a piece of cake.


Being labeled as brainwashed is a complement not an insult. Being told I am out of my mind is also a compliment along with being called a Bible thumper. These are labels put on us by the world meant to be an insult, however they are not an insult to me. I am glad the world sees that I am not like them. Listen, I have been brain washed right out of my mind and into the mind of Christ. And if someone needs a little Bible thumping, I would be happy to oblige.


Are y'all brainwashed? Try it you'll love it.
 
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Hey Jeanie


I'm not so sure the word "brainwashed" is appropriate. Maybe it is was used in jest or it's an inside joke at your church, however the word "brainwashed" has extremely negative connotations. It conjures up feelings of coerced persuasion, which is definitely not what Chrisitianity is about.


The beauty of Christ saving us is that we make a free and voluntary choice to follow Christ, we can come to Christ at anytime in our lives and we can also fall away at no time are we forced to stay.


Certainly our minds are renewed and eyes opened to a new way of living but by no means are we brainwashed.


If I was introduced toa new group or association and the word brainwash/ing was beeing bandied around I would be defensive from the get go until maybe I found out that it was a term of endearment or a joke.
 
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yeahhhh I'll be siding with dimension on this one as "Brainwashed" is a term for forceably placing your will upon others minds.


So if he ever does come back again just tell him you were joking about being "Brainwashed" and instead tell him your mind is renewed by the blood of Christ our Lord and savior.
 
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dimension,311474 wrote :

Hey Jeanie


I'm not so sure the word "brainwashed" is appropriate. Maybe it is was used in jest or it's an inside joke at your church, however the word "brainwashed" has extremely negative connotations. It conjures up feelings of coerced persuasion, which is definitely not what Chrisitianity is about.


The beauty of Christ saving us is that we make a free and voluntary choice to follow Christ, we can come to Christ at anytime in our lives and we can also fall away at no time are we forced to stay.


Certainly our minds are renewed and eyes opened to a new way of living but by no means are we brainwashed.


If I was introduced toa new group or association and the word brainwash/ing was beeing bandied around I would be defensive from the get go until maybe I found out that it was a term of endearment or a joke.



I understand what you are saying, totally. It does amaze me how a renewed thinks. How I view brainwashing opposed to the way this acquaintance meant it. My church does not use this term, but I did on that particular day, but not with the definition of being forced to believe a certain way. The way I responded to him was in effort to veer him off from talking negative about one of my church family members. He most likely won’t say anything negative to me about anyone again. One thing I love about the late Kenneth Hagin is that he never said anything bad about anyone. When someone asked him about Satan, he didn’t even say anything bad about him. He just said, “He is a consistent cuss.” I always try to veer people off from speaking negative to me because I work at not speaking negative about anyone as well.


In context with being brainwashed with the meaning of mind renewal by the Word of God, when people tell me I am out of my mind because I believe the Bible, I agree with them. They mean it negatively, but I take it as a compliment and agree with them. Because I am out of my mind. I can’t have the mind of Christ unless I am out of my own mind. Also being accused of being a Bible thumper is meant to be an insult, but to me it is a compliment. Being brainwashed right out of my own mind and into the mind of Christ so that I can preach the Word accurately is a great place to be. I have not arrived but sure am enjoying the journey…(smile)


I appreciate your gentle spirit….blessings
 
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J_Aeon,311766 wrote :

yeahhhh I'll be siding with dimension on this one as "Brainwashed" is a term for forceably placing your will upon others minds.


So if he ever does come back again just tell him you were joking about being "Brainwashed" and instead tell him your mind is renewed by the blood of Christ our Lord and savior.
Thanks for the advice. I already did explain to him where I was coming from concerning what I meant by brainwashing in context with being renewed in your mind bythe Word of God. I really don't think he wants to go in the direction of mind renewal by the Word. But that is his choice.


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most people tend to get a bit ancy when you start talking about the Spirit of God and the blood of the lamb and all that, but it could've been he was apprehensive about being in church in the first place.
 
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Maybe he didn't agree with the doctrine in the church and that was the problem? I have noticed that you tend to take a very fundamentalist view of your faith when posting here Jeanie, but I don't know if that is just you or the way your church operates. It is one thing to agree on Jesus as savior and an entirely different thing to attempt to force people to not braid their hair or force women to wear skirts. Without more information there is really no way to come to an informed conclusion on this. The Bible needs to be read in context to the history or else you will not understand what was trying to be conveyed when Paul wrote things. I've seen all sorts of churches come to all sortsof insane conclusions in my life so maybe it was doctrine.
 
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Brainwashed seems so Jim Jones and cultish. God does not brainwash us. He give us free will and a choice. brainwashing implies otherwise. People that HAVE been brainwashed- Jim Jones, Branch Davidians, and all the other cults give religion a bad name. Is is any wonder people today are turned off by the mention of being saved and enlightened? So drop the brainwashed analogy. Having the veil lifted sounds better.
 
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Altair,314678 wrote :


Brainwashed seems so Jim Jones and cultish. God does not brainwash us. He give us free will and a choice. brainwashing implies otherwise. People that HAVE been brainwashed- Jim Jones, Branch Davidians, and all the other cults give religion a bad name. Is is any wonder people today are turned off by the mention of being saved and enlightened? So drop the brainwashed analogy. Having the veil lifted sounds better.





I really don't understand how brainwashing is bad. What Jim Jones did was not brainwashing. Washing is cleaning. Your brain is your grey-matter which is in your head. It is your intellect where you think. The Bible says in Romans 12:2 to be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Ephesians 4:23 tells us to be renewed in the spirit of your mind. In other words, change your thinking to God’s thinking, but not just with knowledge of the Word, but also in the spirit of the mind. The world calls, forcing people to believe a certain way, brainwashing but that is not accurate. Jim Jones deceived people, he didn’t have anything to wash anyone’s brain with. All he had was deception, in which he influenced the people to follow him to their destruction. That is not brainwashing. That is what the world calls brainwashing. Being brainwashed, by the Word of God, is having your mind renewed, your mind washed by the water of the word, Ephesians 5:26. The Word of God is what we should go by, not the definitions of the world. Like I said, I go to church every week to get my brain washed and I am in the Word daily to keep it clean. I am brainwashed by choice by the Word of God. How can we call something in the Bible cultish? You're right God does not brainwash us. We are told to renew our mind or wash our minds with the Word of God.
 
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You are missing my point. It is not what you perceive the meaning of brainwashing to be, but what the world thinks it to be. Those are the ones you are trying to reach, not your fellow Christians who may understand what you mean. If you talk to some non believer and say God has brainwashed me, what is he going to think? He's gonna say don't talk to me, talk to a shrink! I'm just saying the word brainwash has a negative connotation to the world.
 
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