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Here is one Tony quote and then I will quit, haha:


"I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a sh*t. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said sh*t than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night." Tony Campolo
 
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TexasCarGuy,303116 wrote :

Here is one Tony quote and then I will quit, haha:


"I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a sh*t. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said sh*t than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night." Tony Campolo
Good quote. I'm a conservative and Tony C is a bit too left for me, but he makes a good point.I will admitt we conservsoften have the old "swallowing a camel and straining at a gant" problem.


I watched my fellow Christians loose their minds over "The last temptation of Christ" with all kinds of protests (the movie is gone), but police brutality in minority neighborhoods (still here)doesn't seem to be too big of a deal.At least not big enough for a sign waving march. We just blather on about "respecting authority" but never calling it to account. Go figure.
 
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J_Aeon,302478 wrote :

and you just violated several dozen things that as a follower of Christ and Lover of God you shouldn't do


#1 Abortion - it's murder...plain and simple, if complications do arise then that's what hospitals were created for EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. If you're pregnant and just want to be rid of the child that's not an emergency.


#2 We're told to follow the law of the land as well as Obey the commandments set forth by God. So the whole marriage license thing? discussed before and you do need one to be considered "Married" in the nation's eyes.


#3 So a homosexual couple who flaunts their ways and teaches the child it's ok to be homosexual and that it ISN'T a sin and that NOTHING is wrong with being a homosexual and that you're born with it? You obviously have some really curious ideals about what God deems ok.


God is Love but I'm sure you've also heard of the phrase "Tough Love", He knows whats best for us and he knows we've just about destroyed ourselves from the things we've done.


You probably also think it's alright to not make your voice heard when someone violates your faith and beliefs. After all the meek shall inherit the earth and we're supposed to turn the other cheek and blah blah blah. Meekness isn't weakness, Turning the other cheek was for you NOT to resort to violent acts if someone rose up against YOU. In this day and age though groups and people are attacking our virtues, values, and belief in God every minute of every day and I FOR ONE will no longer tolerate it I'm gonna be like Jesus take up my whip and chase the money changers outta the temple!!


IF you loved God you would too! I'm sorry you just comprimise to the world's way of doing things but I pray that your eyes would open up to the actual truth and not the half truth. God Bless
The only thing I know about love is that it is too complicated and has too many layers for me to completley comprehend while in this body. So for the LOVE of our Lord can we all agree to JUST STOP deciding who loves God and Who doesn't-who's saved -who isn't-based on a few postings. I disagree with this sis on everything she said. But that doesn't mean she doesn't love God. Needs God'sillumination for sure, but does everyone know everything right away or do we learn in time? Can the shed blood of Jesusbe enough for her right now? Or does she have to think like you to get her name in the Lamb's book of life?


And how do you plan to do all of this whipping? Jesus did this once. ONCE. He spent the majority of time feeding the hungary, healing the sick, preachingand teaching. I've lectured in secular college classrooms on abortionand debated Planned Parenthood repsin secular settings. I (God)always won the day. I signed up more people for national right to life in those setting than any other. No whipping needed. Just truth spoken in love.


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I said that I disagreed with everything you said. I was wrong. The earth is important. So is animal welfare. I'm green Evangelical vegan and member of the Christian Vegetarian Society. Now watch somebody call me a pagan tree worshipper who care more about animals than people.
 
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mostlysunny,302576 wrote :

J_Aeon,302478 wrote :


IF you loved God you would too!


“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." Matthew 7:1-29


"If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen." 1 John 4:20
"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things." 1 Corinthians 13:1-7
Your not Mostly Sunny, you're Completely Sunny! Thank you for giving the WORD and letting it stand in it's own power.


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TexasCarGuy,303064 wrote :

In answer to your question, yes. There are committed orthodox Christians who "think like you do." They exist. However, as you can see from the heavy black/white replies, those who are most vocal are the most conservative. That has been the case in politics, which is why the minority, the hard right, keeps winning. They organize and vote and are without doubt the most passionate about their position. There was also a bit of help along the way from Justice Scalia, but that's a different story. If you want to meet others like yourself, you might try a large Methodist church, but (now I am preaching) be sure that they believe that Jesus actually rose from the dead or else you might be getting Christianity light which could get you way off track. Take care and keep reading and learning the Bible and politics, it is very interesting. Just don't let folks who are trying to "fix you" get you down. There is no church where everyone agrees, that would be a church of one! The key is to remain teachable and interested and love God no matter what.
"be sure that they believe that Jesus actually rose from the dead or else you might be getting Christianity light..." No, in that "or else" example you WILL be getting HERESY. Worship styles, church government, and our conduct as citizens all may be open for debate. Absolutely not open for debate, in my opinion, are these: 1) the sovereignity of God the Father, and such of His nature that He has revealed to mankind; 2) the person and work of Jesus Christ (esp. His Messiahship, His perfect atonement for all human sin, and His resurrection and ascension); and 3) the divine inspiration and perfect integrity of the Bible as it exists today, without any additions, subtractions, or emendations. J Aeon and others, feel free to add to this list as you wish. The hour is late, and I am tired; but I cannot shut down for the night after having read this thread without standing up for the Gospel truth. I appreciate reading the posts of others who are doing the same.
 
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I have to say, it is very, very discouraging to see Christians fighting among each other....it's one of the reason I dislike going to church too often. I realize we're all human and have our problems, but shouldn't we show a better example to those outside the church? I love God and I've met many inspiring Chirstians, even if I don't agree with their politics. I realize people are afraid of being misled, of following false profits and other terrible things to contemplate. But is that really a reason to condemn people who truly try to follow God to the best of their ability? Who are inspired by God and his love for all humankind and the world in which we live? I'm pretty sure the disciples did not agree on politics or the essentials of heaven and God's word, but they were all chosen by Jesus to follow Him. Can't we be the same?


As a personal frustration, I am tired of some conservative Christians telling me I'm a heathen who is going to hell simply because I care more about people who are already alive and in need of help than in someone not born yet. It's not that I approve of abortion, but I think everyone would benefit if we looked at the reasons why people want to have abortions rather than simply banning it? Have any of us actually supported those struggling mothers, or simply told them they are immoral? How many of us have seriously thought about adoption or improving the foster care system rather than picketing in front of panned parenthood? I know there are people who do these things, and I admire them. I just wish people who disagree with me didn't feel it necessary to say God doesn't love me, that I am not a Christian, etc.... I know that it isn't true, but I would like the support of my fellow believers, even when I am mistaken in some of my beliefs.
 
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holyghostgirl,303179 wrote :

I said that I disagreed with everything you said. I was wrong. The earth is important. So is animal welfare. I'm green Evangelical vegan and member of the Christian Vegetarian Society. Now watch somebody call me a pagan tree worshipper who care more about animals than people.
I agree with you. We are called upon to be stewards of the earth.
 
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holyghostgirl,303179 wrote :

I said that I disagreed with everything you said. I was wrong. The earth is important. So is animal welfare. I'm green Evangelical vegan and member of the Christian Vegetarian Society. Now watch somebody call me a pagan tree worshipper who care more about animals than people.
You wont hear me say that. God originally put humans on the earth to take care of the whole earth, not just ourselves.
 
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J_Aeon,302478 wrote :

and you just violated several dozen things that as a follower of Christ and Lover of God you shouldn't do


#1 Abortion - it's murder...plain and simple, if complications do arise then that's what hospitals were created for EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. If you're pregnant and just want to be rid of the child that's not an emergency.


#2 We're told to follow the law of the land as well as Obey the commandments set forth by God. So the whole marriage license thing? discussed before and you do need one to be considered "Married" in the nation's eyes.


#3 So a homosexual couple who flaunts their ways and teaches the child it's ok to be homosexual and that it ISN'T a sin and that NOTHING is wrong with being a homosexual and that you're born with it? You obviously have some really curious ideals about what God deems ok.


God is Love but I'm sure you've also heard of the phrase "Tough Love", He knows whats best for us and he knows we've just about destroyed ourselves from the things we've done.


You probably also think it's alright to not make your voice heard when someone violates your faith and beliefs. After all the meek shall inherit the earth and we're supposed to turn the other cheek and blah blah blah. Meekness isn't weakness, Turning the other cheek was for you NOT to resort to violent acts if someone rose up against YOU. In this day and age though groups and people are attacking our virtues, values, and belief in God every minute of every day and I FOR ONE will no longer tolerate it I'm gonna be like Jesus take up my whip and chase the money changers outta the temple!!


IF you loved God you would too! I'm sorry you just comprimise to the world's way of doing things but I pray that your eyes would open up to the actual truth and not the half truth. God Bless
I do not support abortion. I would never encourage anyone to get one. I do believe it is murder. I do not believe making it illegal will stop it. God values the mother's life too.


This is not a Chrisitan nation - 70% of Americans do not claim affiliation with the Christian faith. We do not have the right to impose our morals on those around us. We can talk to them, befriend them, and simultaneously disagree - in a loving way - with how they choose to live their life. They should be able to visit each other in the hospital.


Gays are people too - people that God loves. No parents are perfect. My parents were not Christians and I found the faith. And there does happen to be some evidence that homosexuality is connected with a gene - I won't argue that that is what God intended. Think of it this way - all of creation was corrupted at the fall - down to the molecular level. Man was perfect until that moment - all genetic disorders we have today are mutations. Maybe it's a mutation. Are you going to discriminate against someone with dwarfism? What about immoral hetero parents? Sin is sin. In God's eyes a murder is no worse than a lie, one person's sexual sin is no different than another - no matter who it is with.


I also have no problem stepping up to a debate. I'm pretty good at it actually - I've had lots of practice with some very close minded people. I do love God, and I really do try not to compromise. That is why I try to love.
 
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