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Please cite your sources...I couldn't find anything to back up that claim. The closest thing I found was that there is a statute of limitations on contesting paternity in at least some states...in Texas for example it is 4 years. I can find nothing to indicate that a husband can be assessed child support payments if it is established that he is not the father.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_(law)

I will certainly grant that the law may still be catching up in some areas of the country...I did not do an exhaustive search and I would merely request that you cite some sort of source to back up claims in this area.
I think it goes to the father already put himself on the birth certificate and then found out he was not the biological father. I wish I was better at Googling, I would try to find it.
- November 6th, 2009, 03:21 pm
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cardguy wrote :
Please cite your sources...

I'm thinking it was The Economist.

Most of my media is the New York Times, the Financial Times, The Economist, government press releases and statistics, and some acedemic-oriented material.

(That said, I once posted "newly-formed common-law marriage is not recognized by US states," and NearDC came with data to counter that, so who's to say?)
- November 6th, 2009, 03:26 pm
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Conclusion 4: Men just pay for their kid's health care when she won't pony up.

My ex keeps close tabs on what she spends and what I owe her. She's a CPA, after all.

Me, I could care less. If my boy needs it, my boy gets it, doesn't matter what "it" is, and after I pay, it's done. I don't go after her for the money, and I certainly wouldn't go to court to force payment from her.

It's like domestic abuse. I've seen studies that suggest WOMEN are far more physically abusive than men. Think about it. Women slap guys all the time. I saw a girl bust a guy's nose one night at a bar.

He just walked away. Bleeding.

None of that stuff gets reported either.

I realize women can be independent, but guys are sliced from rougher cuts of God. We're designed to be independent, and we don't as often ask for help.

Your stat doesn't surprise me at all.


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A coworkers ex sends the kids to school sick all the time (kids are old enough to state things like I had a 102 temp on Sunday). He never takes them to the dr. My coworker has presented many bills to her ex and he will not pay. She has asked for governmental intervention to no avail as per the divorce decree he is to pay half. She makes approx $30,000 so she does not have money to throw around and she has a son with several medical problems. I do not think you are like this man nor is this the norm but there are cases where one parent needs help from the other to pay their share of these bills. Please do not begrudge them for trying to collect what is owed them.

Your post kind of deviated from your original intent.
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Well D_Lion, if what your statement is true it should be simple to find evidence supporting it. Saying "I think I saw something that said something like that in an article somewhere a while ago" isn't enough to establish an assertion as correct.

I certainly agree that where such practices exist, the law needs to be changed.
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Dare I say, my data are a lot better than most peoples'?

It is important to me that what I claim as facts be, in fact, correct facts.
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Well, given your recent claims that most child support comes to thousands of dollars a month and allows women to live lives of idle luxury...a statement which can easily be verified as false, and your assertion that the housing allotment in estimate of child expenses was enough to rent an entire dwelling, which turned out also to be false (unless you can rent a place for $67-150/month), you'll have you forgive me if I don't except something as true just because you said so. Acknowledging the inaccuracy of those statements would be helpful in establishing the having correct facts is more important to you than holding on to prior beliefs.

You're welcome to hold me to the same standard.
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cardguy wrote :
Please cite your sources...I couldn't find anything to back up that claim. The closest thing I found was that there is a statute of limitations on contesting paternity in at least some states...in Texas for example it is 4 years. I can find nothing to indicate that a husband can be assessed child support payments if it is established that he is not the father.

Recommended reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternity_(law)

I will certainly grant that the law may still be catching up in some areas of the country...I did not do an exhaustive search and I would merely request that you cite some sort of source to back up claims in this area.
The facts are not quite as D_L has is representing them, but there is generally a presumption in many states that the husband is the father of any child born of a marriage. And, if he accepts a child as his own, and presents that child as his own, then he "is" the father whether it was his sperm that created the child or not as the primary governing principle is what is in the best interests of the child (specifics vary by state). So, there have been some cases where the father was ordered to pay child support after the dissolution of a marriage, even though it was determined at that point that he was not the biological parent.

Of course, since D_L considers any child support payment to be extreme, he would also consider these assessments to be extreme even though they follow the same formulas used to assess child support in other cases.
- November 6th, 2009, 03:42 pm
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Dangit! Got modded... Post to appear here... eventually...

In the meantime, here is a link to a site that seems to do a good job of explaining these issues: http://www.andrewfosterlaw.com/lawye...AD4BB2E19.html
- November 6th, 2009, 03:43 pm
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Dangit! Got modded... Post to appear here... eventually...

In the meantime, here is a link to a site that seems to do a good job of explaining these issues: Fort Lauderdale Divorce Attorney :: Articles & FAQs :: North Lauderdale Family Law Lawyer
Thanks for providing an external source, neardc. It's outrageous that such practices still exist, due to the harm to cause both to unsuspecting husbands and the vast majority of women who are receiving child support without such deception.
- November 6th, 2009, 03:48 pm
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For instance, because doing so leaves not enough money for food and rent (assuming he is still able to afford rent, and is not forced to live with friends or family, as if often the case for low-paid men.)

This is a cost likely in the range of $200 / month, far more than I have available in my budget, and I am much better off than the shop-floor personnel. I am confident most of our factory workers do not have anything like $200 / month, or they couldn't eat.

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Do you have data on the percentage of these men who weren't in the employer health plan at all, prior to receipt of the Order? This would be an indication of just how destitute they were (before the Order.)
Could you please indicate what you consider to be a livable wage in your area? Given the body of your comments on these boards, it's really difficult to assess your statements without having a sense of what you consider to be a livable income for a one-person household, for a couple, and for a parent and child...

(Since your biggest expenses are the internet, women, and liquor, I would bet that most people could squeeze $200/month out of your budget for child support if needed and still leave you with food on the table and a roof over your head...lol)
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