Angelkrista is offline Angelkrista Post #11  December 19,2011, 9:52am
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How insane.

Proabably the same crowd of politicians who defend "home schooling."

Legal responsibility for the acts of others (children or not) should be reduced, not increased.
But I thought that was our new theme? It's ALWAYS someone elses fault.
 
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Kids are a tough case. As early as the first grade and all the way to the twelfth, you try to teach them personal responsibility. A few isolated instances of misbehavior can be blamed on the child, but repeated occurences usually imply that the parents share some blame.

For example, a couple times my daughter played "Taking forever in the bathroom (no medical issue)." She was late for school. In response, I set her bed time and wake-up time thirty minutes earlier, and she wasn't late anymore. And when she proved she could get ready at a normal pace, her bedtime and wake-up time went back to normal.

As far as repeated illnesses, Florida schools have a nice way to accomodate that, that doesn't count towards truancy. If your child is or will be out for more 48 hours, you can write-up an alternate education plan. A teenager in my family who lives in Florida has done that a few times because their parents travel alot, but it's also intended for extended illness where the kid may be in bed, but well enough to read the appropriate books and do a bit of writing. The article says jail time would be a last recourse, after government and non-profit workers try to work with the parents to resolve whatever is keeping the child out of school.

It does sound like medical conditions where the child cannot do anything at home may a sticky point, and I wonder how this will work for divorced parents (two thirds of my daughter's late days are on my ex's watch).
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Shape, did you note the part of the article that listed other states that had similar laws? One state had zero parents sent to jail in 2010 but then 11 or more in 2011.
 
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Shape, did you note the part of the article that listed other states that had similar laws?
My state is one of them! It's been law since January 1st, 2011.

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One state had zero parents sent to jail in 2010 but then 11 or more in 2011.
You mean in Baltimore. That makes sense since jailtime is a last resort. I checked and Baltimore sent notices to ~400 parents in 2010. Those eleven they say are the few who didn't get the message even after appearing in court a time or two.

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Barbara Gaskins, whose 15-year-old son missed 103 of the last 130 school days, was one such parent... At the hearing he claimed to have attended and that his presence hadn’t been noticed, Judge Waxman had appeared to have run out of patience: “I told you I was willing to work with you, and I’ve tried to instill how important this is. You have not taken this very seriously.”
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A number of excuses were given, for instance, that she brought him to the bus stop, had “as many medical excuses as the doctor would allow when her son suffered from a series of stomach viruses”, and from the son, that he was there but erroneously marked absent.

What do you mean you drove him to the bus stop every day? All 23 of the days he attended? Is there a reason your doctor stopped allowing medical excuses? Did he run out of paper to write them on? Or did he decide he wasn’t writing any more? Did he at some point tell you he’s stopped writing them because he doesn’t feel there’s anything medically wrong? Do you still believe there’s something medically wrong? Have you taken your kid to a different doctor? Do the stomach viruses and other issues persist into the summer? Holidays? If not, do you think that might be why the doctor stopped writing notes? Are there sufficient disincentives to staying home? For instance, staying home is a mandatory doctor’s visit, or staying home means you stay home with no video games, internet, cell phone or TV?.
She was actually sentenced to ten days in jail, served on consecutive weekends.
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I wonder why the state doesn't board the children and fine the parents. It would cost taxpayers less. While the parents are in jail the state is probably paying for the care of both the children and parents.

They could also offer parenting classes based on an analysis of each child.
 
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These people are already broke. Fining the broke is a farce to criminalize poverty.

If the governement cared about the taxpayers (or the taxpayers cared enough about the governement not to elect that governement), the unfit would be sterilized.

Actions of government which perpetuate poverty and deficient decision-making by downstream generations are best avoided.
 
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shapeShifter79 wrote :
My state is one of them! It's been law since January 1st, 2011.


You mean in Baltimore. That makes sense since jailtime is a last resort. I checked and Baltimore sent notices to ~400 parents in 2010. Those eleven they say are the few who didn't get the message even after appearing in court a time or two.





She was actually sentenced to ten days in jail, served on consecutive weekends.
Ah, see the article didn't explain the carry over from 2010. It gave the impression that zero had been jailed in 2010 because no one cared to enforce the law. While in 2011, the school boards or truancy officers "cracked down" a bit too harshly and decided to go after parents for the heck of it.
 
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If you push for it you might be able to get a 504 or IEP in place that will help with those missed days. Meaning, it will be a legal document that states that your children are allowed to miss days, with a doctors note, and they can't be called into a truancy board.

I had to push REALLY HARD to get my son's IEP in place. It is a stronger document than a 504. But, a 504 can still hold weight for your child throughout their school career.

You might also ask your children's doctor to write a letter stating this for the entire school year. A preemptive strike against any days they can miss during the next year, so to speak. Make it clear that they have XYZ condition and that to ensure their health, missing school days will happen.
Thanks, Andie. Actually, my son has an IEP and my daughter has a 504 as of this year. Luckily for them, I was a teacher in my previous life--even taught special ed! The school system really hates me because I know my rights and am willing to fight for what my kids need.

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The IEP is a good document that can provide a legal support for your child, it also helps with providing additional funds for your school to support your child. A 504 plan is also a legal document that doesn't give quite as much protection for your child, and in addition it doesn't come with funding to support the special needs. The one advantage of a 504 is that it makes individuals rather than just the system legally liable for failure to comply with the documents. Each one must be renewed each year to remain legally compliant.
The advantage of a 504 is that it works for students who require special considerations but who do not need an IEP or special services. For example, my daughter needs special allowances in PE because of her condition. She can't actively participate in some of the exercises because of her medical condition and issue with overheating. She also has to be allowed to wear sunglasses at times because of a problem with her eyes. She needs preferential seating due to a hearing loss. None of these items require special education services or therapy from a particular person, but they are all necessary to her success.

I expect we may be putting a 504 in place in addition to my son's IEP after the first of the year. (If it is decided that this is legal.) We are having trouble with a teacher who doesn't seem to understand that a hearing loss means he can't hear her assignments and directions.
 
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Just my opinion on the IEP vs 504, you don't need a 504 once an IEP is in place. The IEP can contain the same items a 504 would hold. My son has/had preferential seating listed in his IEP that was previously listed in his 504. Basically, once the IEP was in place there seemed no need to keep the 504 around except as to reference what was already agreed to previously.

And I hear ya on the particular teacher issue. We have some who seem to think the IEP doesn't apply to them or their classes. It's frustrating.
 
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