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abnoba wrote :

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But sadly it does need to be pointed out that once again it is the free thinkers, atheists, agnostics, skeptics who are the most charitable and who have not erected walls around themselves to keep themselves pure. I know enough of the NT to know that this harkening to purity laws and regulations did not come from what we know about Jesus, but rather harken back to Paul who projected his own lack of love of self and others on the world as a whole.

It almost seems like you may have had a relationship with a Christian and you wanted sex, but he wouldn't because of Paul's teaching on purity. So now, you have it in for Paul.

Is that what happened?

I have had a few relationships with guys who called themselves christian. Unlike christians I didn't give them a test to see if theywere "true" christians or not. Some were sexual and some were not. I have not noticed any difference in how guys who call themselves christian act around girls than those who call themselves free thinkers or buddhist or some other religion. Most guys want sex. Most girls want sex. It all comes down to whether we like each other enough to share this desire. Religion played no role in this decision.

Now do your best dear christian lady to not try to paint someone who disagrees with you in some stereotypical paint.

Paul was a sick man and this is evident to anyone who takes off the church filters long enough to read what he actually wrote as opposed to what your church teaches you he wrote.

I do read Paul's writing straight from the Bible.

- October 9th, 2008, 04:25 pm

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abnoba wrote :

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From what I've been able to garner in these discussions it is obvious that atheists, free thinkers, agnostics love more wastefully, more generously, more openly than christians who are too busy building walls around themselves and too busy feeling holier than thou to relate to people outside of their particular purity cult.

I don't think Jesus is a god, but from what I have read about Jesus I think he would be pretty p***ed off at those today who claim to exclude, to judge, to not love those who think like themselves. I am pretty sure he would be telling you off for being so petty and narrow.

Forget Paul and follow your Jesus and not just in cheap words but in costly actions. Then again building ghettos is more pleasing and seems kind of religious like, right?

I don't think you have a clue what love is. If you did, you wouldn't be writing these words to hurt the ones who believe in the True Living God of the universe. Jesus did say that the road was narrow, so we are on the right track.

Nobody said that we don't love people of different faith or no faith. The question was about would you date some one who is an atheist. We can love others, but we don't have to date or marry them. On the contrary, we are warned against it.

Do you get the picture clear now? Or do you still need more clarification?

So, here is a question for you:

Would you date a true practicing Christian?

I think love transcends ideological walls like the ones constructed by some christians. So Jesus said the road was narrow, but note here that you assume you are on the narrow road in spite of not loving in the wasteful way your teacher or guru did.

You can't have it both ways. You can't in one stroke reject outright anyone who does not read the bible the way you do and then say oh but I really do love them. Paul and few other followers of purity cults told you not to love outside of your church for fear of being polluted by the thoughs of others. This never came from Jesus. So do yourself a favor and follow Jesus not some camp follower like Paul who simply hated the world so much that he convinced himself it would all end soon! He is one of the last persons anyone should seek out for marriage counselling.

Would I date a true practicing Christian? Yes. I would date someone who actually followed Jesus and not Paul. No problems. By all accounts Jesus got on well with women, even those that most churches today would chuck out the door. I have dated practicing christians. Now mind you you no doubt belong to a fairly narrow church community who is probably convinced that anyone other than themselves are not true christians.

Are catholics, liberal protestants, mormons true practicing christians or would you toss them into the same place you would toss, in the name of Paul from on high, atheists, agnostics, freethinkers?

This was updated on Wikipedia today:

The largest religion in the United States is Christianity, with nearly 78.5% of the population identifying themselves as Christian.[1

So now you have an updated info on how many of us out there in the US. I suggest you do your research before you throw statements out there that are incorrect. Check how many Christians are in the world before you say anything more about it.

The World And Relative Sizes Of Religious Groupings: (2002?)

Christianity: 2.1 billion

Islam: 1.5 billion

Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

Hinduism: 900 million

Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

Buddhism: 376 million

primal-indigenous: 300 million

African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

Sikhism: 23 million

Juche: 19 million

Spiritism: 15 million

Judaism: 14 million

Baha'i: 7 million

Jainism: 4.2 million

Shinto: 4 million

Cao Dai: 4 million

Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

Tenrikyo: 2 million

Neo-Paganism: 1 million

Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

Scientology: 500 thousand

A rough count shows that the loving christians would exclude approximately 5.3 billion humans as not being worthy of themselves. This of course doesn't include the various warring factions in the christian community who are convinced the other guys are not really, real christians.

Ah the ever shrinking gene pool when one applied the xenophobic logic of Paul.

"am not insulting your view point anymore than you are insulting my viewpoint because you take issue with me. Like it or not most people on this planet do not share your beliefs about the bible or god."

This is why I posted about how many Christians are in the US.

Please, admit that according to your findings Christianity is still the leading belief even in the World! 2.1 billion. So I am really not alone after all.

Atheists are only half: 1.1 billion. Need I say more?

- October 9th, 2008, 04:37 pm

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Even after this conversation with the 22 years old atheist who would love to date a Christian and seems that is not happy about my outlook on life,

I still would not date an atheist. I would only date a guy whom I would want to marry one day. I don't date just to date.

Since, I wouldn't want to marry someone with different beliefs or lack of beliefs I would have to pass on that.

And if only atheist guys left on the planet, I would have to just stay single. And that would be fine with me. It is better to have no relationship then have a bad one.

It's OK. You can say whatever you want. I am certain that JESUS LIVES & HE WILL COME BACK TO THIS EARTH SOON. Until then I will follow in his foot steps and will stand up for what is right. I am not ashamed of the Gospel and I strongly disagree with what abnoba has to say about Paul.

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- October 9th, 2008, 04:45 pm

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AlexandraCassandra wrote :

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A rough count shows that the loving christians would exclude approximately 5.3 billion humans as not being worthy of themselves. This of course doesn't include the various warring factions in the christian community who are convinced the other guys are not really, real christians.

Ah the ever shrinking gene pool when one applied the xenophobic logic of Paul.

I think the point was made: most of the world does not share your outlook on god, on the bible, or on Paul. Point made I hope unless you need some help with adding up the numbers. So in order for you to follow Paul's purity rules and errect the same ghettos he chose for himself you deny yourself the pleasure of nearly six billion people and most christians as well. Such a high price to pay to follow such a sick man. Maybe next time you should follow Jesus. He seems like a better role model than Paul. Better yet stop following dead men, period and think for yourself.

- October 9th, 2008, 06:18 pm

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Would this 22 year old atheist love to date a christian? Sure and agnostics and hindoos and buddhists and anyone of any faith or no faith. You seeI don't exclude people based on purity laws. This is a christian hobby not that of a free thinker.

I don't really care if you won't date or marry an atheist or mostchristians or most anyonewho didn'tthink like yourself. It is your decision and it will likely lead to much loneliness for you. I am sorry for you and hope thatsomeday you will be able to liberate yourself from the misgogynist philosophy of a long dead 1st centuryPalestinian Roman Jew.

BTW don't go blaming Jesus for your narrow vision of who you can love. This was never Jesus' way. Yes, it was Paul's way, but he was a mentally distrubed human being and surely not in any way a man any sane person would want to follow.

So best of luck to you Paulinian woman.

- October 9th, 2008, 06:24 pm

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"So best of luck to you Paulinian woman."

If that is menat to be an insult...well, let's just say I want me one of them! especially if she listens to Dr. Laura! and cooks! haha, I figured I might as well get everyone mad here!

seriously, when religion ever comes up on these boards, there seems to be some hatin goin on (droppin my g's, like Sarah). to that I say, why can't we all get along? I mean, some of us are Christians and some are not. Now that is not really such a shock. So, why say mean things about Paul knowing the lady likes the guy's writing? I mean, really why? Is it that important to your own belifs to say something ugly about her beliefs? Start with the premise that she belives the tenants of the Christian faith and you don't -- ok. Now, a. I won't date a non Christian; and b. I certainly honor your right to disagree. So what is there further to talk about? I will say my beliefs if someone asks, but again, I honor your right to make your choices on religion and everything else and I won't be pubiclyhatin' on your "god" or whatever you worship.

- October 9th, 2008, 07:31 pm

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Good point Texas car guy and i too would like a lady who listens to Dr. Laura but also pays heed to God and the Scriptures.

Also abnoba it is so true Jesus was so loving to all and fellowships with them to a degree. But that was because he viewed them as sheep without a shepherd and that they where spiritually sick to a degree. he went with the ideal of helping them to follow him and then when they wasn't interested he didn't continue to fellowship with them but went to others, the same that true Christians do today. Preaching and teaching the good news of the kingdom and something better for mankind in a very loving way. Giving kind aid too in a tangible way is what we do.

"And Jesus set out on a tour of all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity.On seeing the crowds he felt pity for them, because they were skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd. Then he said to his disciples: "Yes, the harvest is great, but the workers are few. Therefore, beg the Master of the harvest to send out workers into his harvest."" Matthew 9:35-38

"...But on seeing this the Pharisees began to say to his disciples: "Why is it that YOUR teacher eats with tax collectors and sinners?"Hearing [them], he said: "Persons in health do not need a physician, but the ailing do.Go, then, and learn what this means, ‘I want mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners."" Matthew 9:11-13

- October 9th, 2008, 09:55 pm

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abnoba I wonder what exactly you hate about Paul so much? What writings of his crossed/crosses you so much? Maybe I can shed light on them with research. All I've read from Paul have been up-building though not easily followed but comforting nonetheless! True he was and very hateful man before his conversion and even remained imperfect after till the day he died as we all are currently but his overall life course has much to recommend mankind in obedience to our designer God Almighty!

I have zero respect for any demagogue who writes openly about hating the world, hating those not like himself, hating women, hating sex, hating marriage or at best preaching that it is second best to not being married, hating homosexuals, supportive of slavery, supportive of submission to governments, to husbands, to preachers. And this is just for starters.

No JonBoy I am not very interested in your (research) excuses for Paul.

You just don't have a clear understanding of what he meant when he talked about some of the above subjects and others are way off and far from the truth!

I can share with you a hundred verses like these that they would just disprove your negative criticisms about him. He wasn't hateful but spoke so much about love. See just these first ones and if you want more just ask, us Christians are very giving!

"Let [YOUR] love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is wicked, cling to what is good. In brotherly love have tender affection for one another. In showing honor to one another take the lead.Do not loiter at YOUR business. Be aglow with the spirit. Slave for God.Rejoice in the hope. Endure under tribulation. Persevere in prayer.Share with the holy ones according to their needs. Follow the course of hospitality.Keep on blessing those who persecute; be blessing and do not be cursing.Rejoice with people who rejoice; weep with people who weep.Be minded the same way toward others as to yourselves; do not be minding lofty things, but be led along with the lowly things. Do not become discreet in YOUR own eyes.Return evil for evil to no one. Provide fine things in the sight of all men.If possible, as far as it depends upon YOU, be peaceable with all men.Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, says God."But, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals upon his head."Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good." Romans 12:9-21

Can you find more loving words especially considering how long ago? These words just show they are inspired and he wasn't just speaking off the top of his head and if he was, wow what a loving man!

- October 9th, 2008, 10:11 pm

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Jesus taught about purity in fact it was a nice point he made in the sermon on the mount, here is his words, And he also taught regulations but in a simple way and if we did what he said we would automatically be doing everything Paul wrote about in love!

"..."Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God." Jesus Matthew 5:8

"..."Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" He said to him: "‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment.The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets."" Matthew 22:36-40

- October 9th, 2008, 10:24 pm

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As far as the Apostle Paul goes, wasn't it Jesus who chose him in the first place?

No. Jesus was already dead. Paul did not know nor speak of Jesus the man. He invented Christ and cast him in his own image.

Paul didn't speak of Jesus? Wow again I can show you hundreds that contradicts what you say. Reinvented Jesus?

"...Paul, a slave of Jesus Christ and called to be an apostle, separated to God’s good news, which he promised aforetime through his prophets in the holy Scriptures,concerning his Son, who sprang from the seed of David according to the flesh,but who with power was declared God’s Son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead—yes, Jesus Christ our Lord,through whom we received undeserved kindness and an apostleship in order that there might be obedience of faith among all the nations respecting his name,among which [nations] YOU also are those called to belong to Jesus Christ—to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones: May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ. First of all, I give thanks to my God through Jesus Christ concerning all of YOU, because YOUR faith is talked about throughout the whole world." Romans 1:1-8

- October 9th, 2008, 10:30 pm

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