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What would it take for god to convince you god exists? (I answered this in another thread but I was just curious as to what other perhaps fun and interesting criteria people would accept.)

If everyone with cancer woke up tomorrow and it was gone would that be proof? How about no more tsumamis. How about Will Ferrel or Ben Afflek winning the Oscar for best actor?
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He would have to present himself to me and communicate with me...

Check out this logic:

The universe is everywhere at once (omnipresent.) God (by some people's definition) is everywhere at once.

The universe is all powerful since everything that exists must originate from the universe. God (by some people's definition) is all powerful.

We are made from the universe and since we are of the universe one could say that we are the eyes and ears of the universe. If the universe is God, we are God.

That logic my friends isn't anymore twisted than anyone else can think of, including the Christian church... Which takes us to the final thought:

In the end it simply doesn't matter... and that my friends is why religion was invented... to keep people from coming to the realization that this life here simply doesn't matter.
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DennisWisconsin wrote :
He would have to present himself to me and communicate with me...
Great...how would you know it's him...

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That logic my friends isn't anymore twisted than anyone else can think of, including the Christian church... Which takes us to the final thought:

In the end it simply doesn't matter... and that my friends is why religion was invented... to keep people from coming to the realization that this life here simply doesn't matter.
Right...it's not more twisted than anyone else I can think of either.

Life here completely matters because we are conscious. To say life doesn't matter because it's ends is absurd because why should meaning have anything to do with perpetuity.
- November 5th, 2009, 06:22 am
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WeDesignOurLives wrote :
What would it take for god to convince you god exists?
If I realize I have died, and yet I'm there to realize it ... then I will concede there is God. Or perhaps I will wonder if my concept of "being alive" was flawed?
- November 5th, 2009, 09:21 am
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WeDesignOurLives wrote :
Great...how would you know it's him...



Right...it's not more twisted than anyone else I can think of either.

Life here completely matters because we are conscious. To say life doesn't matter because it's ends is absurd because why should meaning have anything to do with perpetuity.
It may have meaning to you...

I would have to see God's pass port and driver's license.
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DennisWisconsin wrote :
In the end it simply doesn't matter... and that my friends is why religion was invented... to keep people from coming to the realization that this life here simply doesn't matter.
Hm. Life here matters to me (and not just my own life). A huge number of people have done things for me, directly and indirectly. And I have done many things for many other people, directly and indirectly.

What do you mean by "it simply doesn't matter"?

And, to answer the original question, I'm not sure a god could convince me it existed. Around here, I would have to need a god before I could consider its existence. I guess the first step is to die and go to Heaven, then.
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DennisWisconsin wrote :
It may have meaning to you.
I think I'm on safe ground to think that "life has meaning for me" is a choice and not a feeling and those who take the 'life has no meaning because we die" or "whatever meaning there may be is overshadowed by the incredible hardship and suffering in the world" or "I can't really ever get what I want given the way the world is" are basically either chemically depressed (in which case it's not a choice) or in the habit of being a victim.

(And I know this from personal experience. Smart people can get depressed pretty damn fast because there's infinite evidence for humanity being a failure (but individuals good).)
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