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And good luck to you with discovering the value of older men![/quote]

Mr. R,

I think that by saying " the desire of the senior gentleman is more focused, higher quality, more experienced, and simply better than men of similar age," you are showing the ignorance and prejudice that you are so concerned about with others. Be careful in pointing fingers while you are stereotyping other men. There are lots of younger men and older men who have a lot to offer, (and others who are very insecure).

You also said, if the younger woman isn't interested, she won't respond to your advances. However, you told the poster she should reconsider what she wants. You also told me
"good luck to you with discovering the value of older men!" Well, which is it? Do you accept our preferences or do you want us to change our minds? I myself have already discovered the value of older men, younger men, and men my age. However, please don't categorize men. They can't be categorized any more than women. That's just plain ignorant and biased.


I think there is value in younger men, older men, and men the same age. It all depends upon the person. Stereotyping is just another form of prejudice and ignorance. If one is stuck on younger women only, to me that is also prejudice and ignorant. Just like you, each person is different. If someone doesn't have enough choices that they need women to reconsider, then maybe they need to look at themselves in the mirror and see what they really have to offer.

But I am sorry for the geezer reference. I thought if you were comfortable with yourself, you would have a sense of humor about it and a little chuckle. But, it wasn't nice and I apologize for going a little too far.
- September 18th, 2009, 11:36 am
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I accept your apology, "thegirl"; but here's the original post that you reacted to, referring to me as a geezer trying to "convince" the younger girl to change her mind...
"Here's the honest truth from a much older guy. First of all, there's no trying to "prove"anything; we've tried reunions and met, chatted, danced and even dated the ladies near our age, and, at least with me, they can't keep up. Proving things is for the young boys. Those of us (like you) with youthful genes are almost handicapped for the same reason; we too get "closed" simply because the "age difference is too great". What we'd like you who are not necessarily younger but youthful women to consider is;
1.
Our maturity;We've been there, done that; so older fellas really tend to be wiser, gentler, kinder....
2.
Our success; We're well established in our careers, close to that retirement pension, the kids have grown and are on their own; so we're ready to devote 100% to you...
3.
Our experience; expect the best from us, because we see the young boys playing games that we stopped playing a while ago...finesse is perfected in the older gents...

All I can say, in conclusion, is give an older gent a try. You might be in for a very pleasant surprise...keep your guard up, of course, like you would with any date; but do consider the older fellas."

All I was trying to do is point out the advantages of older gentlemen. There's no extremes of opinion, no twisted truths; just a defense for the O.P.'s point of view that we're out to "prove" our dubious fading masculinity. There's no doubt it's fading, but again, just make a list of advantages vs disadvantages, open your mind to the possibilities of older men, and relax and have fun! By the way, if you had also read the posts following mine, you'll see I was well supported.

So again, apology accepted...just please keep an open mind. You might just have the surprise experience of your life.
- September 18th, 2009, 05:23 pm
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Interesting discussion!

Ok, so I'm just a spectator here, but I do have to say, Robecology, that your posts seemed more concerned with persuading women to go for older men than with responding to the original post.

I think we're all guilty, at one time or another, of condemning a whole group of people of a certain age, gender, whatever, because we've known a handful of unlikeables. I think we all have our less than stellar days, but some of us have more of them than others!

I think the nature of online dating predisposes us to this 'prejudging'. The information in a profile is very one-dimensional, and we can't help but be affected by past experiences. Certain words or terms just throw up an emotional red flag to us.

And, unfortunately, yes, we might miss meeting some great people because of it...

But, really, folks, reality check: I know lots of 50-60 year old women who could keep up with anything Robecology could throw at them, and plenty of 20 something men and women who are mature, intelligent and interesting to talk to. It doesn't mean that any of these people won't have some baggage or messiness... In my experience, dealing with people just involves mess, even among the best adjusted of us.

Some of us need to just keep looking for the right match, some of us need to take a chance outside our 'usual range', and some of us think things are workin' just fine for us!

I leave it to any of you to decide which you might be!
- September 18th, 2009, 08:00 pm
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Hello all.

After reading this very 'spirited' thread, I decided to post my own experiences, as well. Here's my .05 worth. lol.

Firstly, inasmuch as we've all been guilty of making sweeping generalizations at one point in our lives or another, we really cut ourselves out of meeting some truly wonderful human beings when we impose such strict, and unyielding, 'rules' upon those we have not yet met.

Fortunately, I've been blessed with great genes and have been told that I look 10 to 15 years younger than my true age. I believe that while genes may have some affect on us, it is our overall attitude about life and people which affect our happiness, and therefore our health. I am always smiling,laughing,joking,or cutting up in general, therefore I give off a vibe of genuine happiness and radiance. This seems to make me attractive not only to men, but to women as well. After all, who wants to be around a grumpy person... younger or older.

Because of my youthful exuberance towards life, I find men of ALL ages attracted to me, and yes, I've dated men much younger than myself...19 years old to my 49; men my own age; and then men much older than myself... 72 to my 50 years of age. I've 'tucked in' the younger 'boys' at 1 a.m. and then headed off to dance or to a party till 5 a.m., and literally 'dragged' another young one, aged 23, along behind me, as we hiked the Smokey Mountains. At 49, I also met a 19 year old who was very intelligent and mature, who rocked my world. I also met a man my own age at the time, aged 48, who was a Reservist chopper pilot in Iraq AND an accomplished Chiropractor with his own office who 'went the distance' with me all night long as we danced the horizontal mambo.

So, what I'm trying to say is, if we impart such strict criteria to our matches, we are going to end up missing out on a vast WORLD of awesome human beings, regardless of their age. And, really, which amongst all of us here, is such a perfect diamond ourself? Surely, we ALL have some faults...no???

That said, by stating that 'younger women' have nothing to contribute to an older partner, that is simply NOT TRUE. I've always been an extremely disciplined and motivated person, and my life's accomplishments began at an early age. At age 17, while working at a bank by day and attending University by night, I established credit independently of my parents, and purchased my own brand new vehicle. I made all payments, including insurance and gas, myself, as my parents could not afford it, nor would I allow them to even if they could. By age 25, I had an excellent career in the medical field, and purchased my own brand new townhouse on a lake...by MYSELF. Your slamming of young women sounds like the ranting of a petty and jealous person, at the very least...not at all flattering for an older woman.

And, yes, I've been 'poofed' aplenty, and I'VE 'poofed' some men, myself. Some reasons I 'poof' men include, but are not limited to: (a) lack of education/intelligence, or an inability to hold my interest during a chat or conversation. I enjoy intellectually stimulating conversation. It is CRUCIAL to my well being and survival; (b)a man who is too pious, conservative, or who holds a very narrow minded view of the world, and those in it; (c)a man with no sense of humor. In today's day and age, how can one live without it? Also, men who are too full of themselves are an instant turn-off, as well, regardless of their age, intellect, looks/physique, occupation, or standing in the community.

I think what it all boils down to is that we all have people to whom we are attracted, and those who are attracted to us; and that a host of biologically driven responses, as well as visual cues, determines who we ultimately end up falling in love with.

In closing, I'd like to wish everyone on these boards much luck in finding whomever, or whatever, they are looking for.

~greeneyedkitten

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- September 18th, 2009, 11:20 pm
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I do think most of the men are right when they say they want someone who can go the distance with them when it comes to the activity levels of most older women. I do think that one key factor is they have to find the women who has the mindset to improve on her body by doing more activity related things.

if I found the man and I am sure looking for him to do a lot of outdoor things so that this life that I am living now with change for the better with activity that keep the body moving.
I was raised camping and I have stop cause there is no one around to do this with. I am 53. and willing and able to if I found the right person but he would have to give me the change to work up to his level. and not think that I am doing it only for him but there is a true desire to be more fit.

I also us to ride my bike every where but changes in the area makes it unsafe. so I don't, that is another reason I want to move to an area that lets me do and feel safe if i want to do these things on my own alone.

But most of the ladies i know would not think of going camping or canoeing. they are right on with that fact. But they do not seek these who have an open mind to these things and I think that is why I am drawn to men who are younger too.

but the problem there is they want children and I don't smile what is a body to do. smile
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Hello all.

After reading this very 'spirited' thread, I decided to post my own experiences, as well. Here's my .05 worth. lol.

Firstly, inasmuch as we've all been guilty of making sweeping generalizations at one point in our lives or another, we really cut ourselves out of meeting some truly wonderful human beings when we impose such strict, and unyielding, 'rules' upon those we have not yet met.

Fortunately, I've been blessed with great genes and have been told that I look 10 to 15 years younger than my true age. I believe that while genes may have some affect on us, it is our overall attitude about life and people which affect our happiness, and therefore our health. I am always smiling,laughing,joking,or cutting up in general, therefore I give off a vibe of genuine happiness and radiance. This seems to make me attractive not only to men, but to women as well. After all, who wants to be around a grumpy person... younger or older.

Because of my youthful exuberance towards life, I find men of ALL ages attracted to me, and yes, I've dated men much younger than myself...19 years old to my 49; men my own age; and then men much older than myself... 72 to my 50 years of age. I've 'tucked in' the younger 'boys' at 1 a.m. and then headed off to dance or to a party till 5 a.m., and literally 'dragged' another young one, aged 23, along behind me, as we hiked the Smokey Mountains. At 49, I also met a 19 year old who was very intelligent and mature, who rocked my world. I also met a man my own age at the time, aged 48, who was a Reservist chopper pilot in Iraq AND an accomplished Chiropractor with his own office who 'went the distance' with me all night long as we danced the horizontal mambo.

So, what I'm trying to say is, if we impart such strict criteria to our matches, we are going to end up missing out on a vast WORLD of awesome human beings, regardless of their age. And, really, which amongst all of us here, is such a perfect diamond ourself? Surely, we ALL have some faults...no???

That said, by stating that 'younger women' have nothing to contribute to an older partner, that is simply NOT TRUE. I've always been an extremely disciplined and motivated person, and my life's accomplishments began at an early age. At age 17, while working at a bank by day and attending University by night, I established credit independently of my parents, and purchased my own brand new vehicle. I made all payments, including insurance and gas, myself, as my parents could not afford it, nor would I allow them to even if they could. By age 25, I had an excellent career in the medical field, and purchased my own brand new townhouse on a lake...by MYSELF. Your slamming of young women sounds like the ranting of a petty and jealous person, at the very least...not at all flattering for an older woman.

And, yes, I've been 'poofed' aplenty, and I'VE 'poofed' some men, myself. Some reasons I 'poof' men include, but are not limited to: (a) lack of education/intelligence, or an inability to hold my interest during a chat or conversation. I enjoy intellectually stimulating conversation. It is CRUCIAL to my well being and survival; (b)a man who is too pious, conservative, or who holds a very narrow minded view of the world, and those in it; (c)a man with no sense of humor. In today's day and age, how can one live without it? Also, men who are too full of themselves are an instant turn-off, as well, regardless of their age, intellect, looks/physique, occupation, or standing in the community.

I think what it all boils down to is that we all have people to whom we are attracted, and those who are attracted to us; and that a host of biologically driven responses, as well as visual cues, determines who we ultimately end up falling in love with.

In closing, I'd like to wish everyone on these boards much luck in finding whomever, or whatever, they are looking for.

~greeneyedkitten
I sure do agree with you there it is the attitude and the mindset of the person and the openness in which you view life. age I really would not turn any one down if they, we had t he desire to do all sorts of things. age really does not matter with this women but the openness and experience and share common interest do.
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I can't agree more!!! good post!!!
by the way i am 41 and i care about myself... ha ha ha
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roguewolf1 wrote :
I'm 48 and I also attract women in their late 50s. I've had some very unattractive older women contact me. Usually they are opposite of what I consider attractive.

I've dated older women and women my age. I dated a lot when I was younger and I'm more choosey now. My dating range is 40s to 50s
and recently I started looking at women in their late 30s. But I'm not into raising young children. Again. And a lot of younger women have young children or want children.

People ALWAYS lie to women when women ask "how old do I look?" Men aren't perfect either but I've dated a woman long term who would always ask strangers "how old do I look?" It gets ridiculous and extremely annoying. Please do it when you aren't on a date. After the 500th time a woman does it, I simply say "Scotty beam me up."

Dating a 20 something? Why? Why do I want to date a woman who is into things I did 2 decades ago? I mean sure, almost every man has a dream to date a 20 something. You know, on an Island somewhere, with the ocean waves in the background and coconut trees swaying in the breeze.

Or we dream about having a fling with a younger woman. Especially if I can't really see the woman's eyes. But when she's up close, I say to myself "this is someone's niece or daughter. I'm too old for her." But I can admire her outer and inner beauty and share a joke with her. I don't want to creep her out or anything. I really feel us older men are role models for much younger women.

Then we wake up from our dream. I'd rather date a woman my age if I can ever find one who's in shape, not egotistical, down to Earth and not playing games. Maybe I'll have better luck going to Vegas and gambling. At least there I win a little

Dating a younger woman-younger women admire men (or so they pretend?) They like our stories, we feel needed by them. They fufill a man's ego. With that being said, I picture 20 somethings as beautiful creatures but too young for me. I call them nieces.

Nah I got nothing to prove beyond finding a woman who likes me for me. Not my millions $ or the Islands I own Give me a boxing bag to "bond" with for 30 minutes and I'm happy!

What's to prove? That I "still have game?" What kind of game? That I am still desireable? Maybe those are men who don't exercise and want to prove to themselves they are medically fit? I'm not a skinny kid anymore but I exercise and eat right most of the time. I feel great in my skin.

Please give me a beautiful 40+ something. A woman I can talk to, have things in common with. They seem to be elusive creatures. Most women 40ish and above are either very overweight or obese (BBW can be very attractive but many 40+ women don't appear to care?)

A BBW can be a knockout beauty. Some of these women don't even have to be lavish dressers. They take care of their look, what they wear when they put up a photo and are desireable (I can't tell you how many women my age have sloppy unattractive photos up.)

I think attraction is more than just looks. But if you have a picture where you are wearing 10 year old sweats that don't fit-it kills the whole desire. The problem with online dating is it doesn't really show who we are.

It's natural for guys to like younger women while women like guys who have money. I hope you find a guy who likes you for you.


REPEAT: i can't agree more... good post!!!
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