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>> "women woo men, too. Men just have different needs than women do, and that's okay." <<
Really? How do women woo men exactly? If a woman fails to woo a man properly, then isn't she also guilty of being lazy.

- April 27th, 2009, 12:36 pm
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>> "women woo men, too. Men just have different needs than women do, and that's okay." <<


Really? How do women woo men exactly? If a woman fails to woo a man properly, then isn't she also guilty of being lazy.
Of course. If a man requires something of a woman - like knowing that she is loyal to him and is supportive of his dreams and aspirations, and all she does is dismiss the things he says he'd like to do or doesn't see the need to say a kind word about him to her friends, then she is absolutely guilt of being lazy.


Did you get the impression that I was excusing women from this?


- April 27th, 2009, 01:02 pm
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I'm wondering where are the men oppinions of this topic???
- April 28th, 2009, 02:54 am
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Is it dead? Do we know the definition of "woo" today?


I recently talked to a gentleman who wanted my attention in a "relationship: and I told him even if I was interested in such a relationship, I'd still have to be wooed by him.


He asked me what "woo" meant. Do you think he was serious?


I gave him a definition. He still wanted to trybut unfortunately, I got bored with him because he was either not "really"trying or was totally inept at it. He's 40-something and I do believe any gentleman in his 40's ought to know what old-fashioned romance is.


Am I in la-la land or what?
No, I don't think you are in la-la land. I am 35 years old and still waiting for a man to at least attempt to woo me. I went out with a man last month. We were both the same age and he seemed to have himself together. A hard worker who volunteers with the blind, is building his own house to sell. He didn't drink or smoke and like to travel. However, he picked me up at my place, waited in the car and never came to the door. Didn't open my car door or pull out my chair at the restauraunt! I guess you know there was no second date. My friends keep telling me I am asking for too much of black men here in Rochester, NY. They said I would have to go down south for even a piece of that kind of treatment. Why do I have to move out of state to get treated like a lady?





- April 29th, 2009, 08:18 am
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What exactly does an act of wooing look like? What is the right way to woo, and what is the wrong way to woo? Do women ever woo men, or do they just get wooed?
I can only speak for myself ANDR3W, but once I am in an actual committed relationship with someone, I have never had a problem wooing a man. Unfortunately, I once ended up with someone who didn't appreciate it and was too lazy to reciprocate. That of course will never stop me from doing so again, should I find someone new. I actually gave Valantines day to that person. He never did anything for me that day and I didn't complain. I enjoyed creating that moment for him, it made me feel good. Now that I know more about dating in general, I have no problem expecting to be wooed by my suiter. If he cannot do at least that much, I'll give him about 3 months to figure it out and move on if he doesn't. I don't think we should have to tell men point by point how to woo. Pulling out chairs and opening doors is always a good start. But letting us know they are thinkning of us in their own personal way can go pretty far.
- April 29th, 2009, 08:34 am
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Is it dead? Do we know the definition of "woo" today?


I recently talked to a gentleman who wanted my attention in a "relationship: and I told him even if I was interested in such a relationship, I'd still have to be wooed by him.


He asked me what "woo" meant. Do you think he was serious?


I gave him a definition. He still wanted to trybut unfortunately, I got bored with him because he was either not "really"trying or was totally inept at it. He's 40-something and I do believe any gentleman in his 40's ought to know what old-fashioned romance is.


Am I in la-la land or what?


No, I don't think you are in la-la land. I am 35 years old and still waiting for a man to at least attempt to woo me. I went out with a man last month. We were both the same age and he seemed to have himself together. A hard worker who volunteers with the blind, is building his own house to sell. He didn't drink or smoke and like to travel. However, he picked me up at my place, waited in the car and never came to the door. Didn't open my car door or pull out my chair at the restauraunt! I guess you know there was no second date. My friends keep telling me I am asking for too much of black men here in Rochester, NY. They said I would have to go down south for even a piece of that kind of treatment. Why do I have to move out of state to get treated like a lady?




Hello, Stormkat!


The reason men don't come tothe door, open doors for ladies, pull out their chairs, etc. is because so many women they've met don't require it of them. If a man comes to my house to pick me up and he honks the horn, I don't come to the door. A whole lot of women go right outside. If I get to a door before the man does, I wait for him to open it. A whole lot of women walk up to the door and swing it on open. I wait for a man to pull my chair. You know what a lot of women do.


Your friend who is telling you that you are asking too much of Black men has resigned to selling herself short because she hasn't required enough of men herself, AND she's selling a whole lot of decent brothers out there short who would love to treat a woman this way, but they encounter so many women who don't know how to accept this kind of treatment from a man.


Then there are the women who get all silly just because a man opens a door and pulls out a chair. That's just as bad. That's how he's SUPPOSED to treat you!!! That's nothing special honey, that's NORMAL!! It's like giving someone amedal for paying their rent!


But I digress...
- April 29th, 2009, 10:07 am
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What exactly does an act of wooing look like? What is the right way to woo, and what is the wrong way to woo? Do women ever woo men, or do they just get wooed?


I can only speak for myself ANDR3W, but once I am in an actual committed relationship with someone, I have never had a problem wooing a man. Unfortunately, I once ended up with someone who didn't appreciate it and was too lazy to reciprocate. That of course will never stop me from doing so again, should I find someone new. I actually gave Valantines day to that person. He never did anything for me that day and I didn't complain. I enjoyed creating that moment for him, it made me feel good. Now that I know more about dating in general, I have no problem expecting to be wooed by my suiter. If he cannot do at least that much, I'll give him about 3 months to figure it out and move on if he doesn't. I don't think we should have to tell men point by point how to woo. Pulling out chairs and opening doors is always a good start. But letting us know they are thinkning of us in their own personal way can go pretty far.
How important is a mans ability to woo in your theory of dating? Do women always select the man who displays the best woo skills or are there other factors? It seems to me that wooing is not a one-size-fits-all enterprise, and each women requires a specific type of wooing. If that is the case then how are men supposed to know in advance what each individual woman wants to hear? Keep in mind that we lack the ability to read minds, and we don't think like you do either.
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Stormkat wrote :




Is it dead? Do we know the definition of "woo" today?


I recently talked to a gentleman who wanted my attention in a "relationship: and I told him even if I was interested in such a relationship, I'd still have to be wooed by him.


He asked me what "woo" meant. Do you think he was serious?


I gave him a definition. He still wanted to trybut unfortunately, I got bored with him because he was either not "really"trying or was totally inept at it. He's 40-something and I do believe any gentleman in his 40's ought to know what old-fashioned romance is.


Am I in la-la land or what?


No, I don't think you are in la-la land. I am 35 years old and still waiting for a man to at least attempt to woo me. I went out with a man last month. We were both the same age and he seemed to have himself together. A hard worker who volunteers with the blind, is building his own house to sell. He didn't drink or smoke and like to travel. However, he picked me up at my place, waited in the car and never came to the door. Didn't open my car door or pull out my chair at the restauraunt! I guess you know there was no second date. My friends keep telling me I am asking for too much of black men here in Rochester, NY. They said I would have to go down south for even a piece of that kind of treatment. Why do I have to move out of state to get treated like a lady?








Hello, Stormkat!


The reason men don't come tothe door, open doors for ladies, pull out their chairs, etc. is because so many women they've met don't require it of them. If a man comes to my house to pick me up and he honks the horn, I don't come to the door. A whole lot of women go right outside. If I get to a door before the man does, I wait for him to open it. A whole lot of women walk up to the door and swing it on open. I wait for a man to pull my chair. You know what a lot of women do.


Your friend who is telling you that you are asking too much of Black men has resigned to selling herself short because she hasn't required enough of men herself, AND she's selling a whole lot of decent brothers out there short who would love to treat a woman this way, but they encounter so many women who don't know how to accept this kind of treatment from a man.


Then there are the women who get all silly just because a man opens a door and pulls out a chair. That's just as bad. That's how he's SUPPOSED to treat you!!! That's nothing special honey, that's NORMAL !! It's like giving someone amedal for paying their rent!


But I digress...


Should men and women be equal partners in a relationship, or should men and women occupy different roles based on gender?
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Jacquiem wrote :


Stormkat wrote :




Is it dead? Do we know the definition of "woo" today?


I recently talked to a gentleman who wanted my attention in a "relationship: and I told him even if I was interested in such a relationship, I'd still have to be wooed by him.


He asked me what "woo" meant. Do you think he was serious?


I gave him a definition. He still wanted to trybut unfortunately, I got bored with him because he was either not "really"trying or was totally inept at it. He's 40-something and I do believe any gentleman in his 40's ought to know what old-fashioned romance is.


Am I in la-la land or what?


No, I don't think you are in la-la land. I am 35 years old and still waiting for a man to at least attempt to woo me. I went out with a man last month. We were both the same age and he seemed to have himself together. A hard worker who volunteers with the blind, is building his own house to sell. He didn't drink or smoke and like to travel. However, he picked me up at my place, waited in the car and never came to the door. Didn't open my car door or pull out my chair at the restauraunt! I guess you know there was no second date. My friends keep telling me I am asking for too much of black men here in Rochester, NY. They said I would have to go down south for even a piece of that kind of treatment. Why do I have to move out of state to get treated like a lady?








Hello, Stormkat!


The reason men don't come tothe door, open doors for ladies, pull out their chairs, etc. is because so many women they've met don't require it of them. If a man comes to my house to pick me up and he honks the horn, I don't come to the door. A whole lot of women go right outside. If I get to a door before the man does, I wait for him to open it. A whole lot of women walk up to the door and swing it on open. I wait for a man to pull my chair. You know what a lot of women do.


Your friend who is telling you that you are asking too much of Black men has resigned to selling herself short because she hasn't required enough of men herself, AND she's selling a whole lot of decent brothers out there short who would love to treat a woman this way, but they encounter so many women who don't know how to accept this kind of treatment from a man.


Then there are the women who get all silly just because a man opens a door and pulls out a chair. That's just as bad. That's how he's SUPPOSED to treat you!!! That's nothing special honey, that's NORMAL !! It's like giving someone amedal for paying their rent!


But I digress...


Should men and women be equal partners in a relationship, or should men and women occupy different roles based on gender?
First, let me say that people should do in relationships what works for them. Whatever that is.But whatever that is, you need to be upfront, open, and honest about it with your partner. I think there is a common, basic standard of behavior for everybody, like saying please and thank you. Then there are standards of behavior that you personally expect from your mate that you need to be clear about. If you appreciate a man coming to the door when hepicks you up, stop going outside when he pulls up and honks the horn. When he asks what the problem is, tell him you don't like that honking the horn business. If a man likes it when a woman takes initiative and calls him to go out sometimes if the interest is mutual, he needs to tell her that and tell her why. Open your mouth and tell people what it is you want or don't want from them. Eliminates all kinds of confusion, second guessing,and hurt feelings.


Second, I believe that being equal partners and occupying different roles based on gender are not mutually exclusive - if both partners desire and agree that certain roles shouldbe occupied based on gender or any other criteria they have, then the partnership is equal. They both get what they want, don't they? I know it's not a politically correct thing to say, but some people - some WOMEN - honestly don't have a problem with gender-specific roles in a relationship; it is what they want, what they desire, what they choose. If they get what they want and are happy and loved, and their mate is happy in their role and is loved, andno one's being oppressed or hurt or abused or taken for granted, what's the problem? Why isn't that equal? It is to me. Equal partners, in my estimation, does not mean we divide the chores, responsibilites, problems, and bills straight down the middle. Equal partners in a relationship means that he and I discuss what we want out of that relationship, what we will each bring to it, what we want and expect from each other, and the things we will do to make it work for us;and both of us then set to the task of equally contributing to the success of the relationship and each other's happiness. That's what equal partners is to me.


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>>Second, I believe that being equal partners and occupying different roles based on gender are not mutually exclusive - if both partners desire and agree that certain roles shouldbe occupied based on gender or any other criteria they have, then the partnership is equal. They both get what they want, don't they? I know it's not a politically correct thing to say, but some people - some WOMEN - honestly don't have a problem with gender-specific roles in a relationship; it is what they want, what they desire, what they choose . If they get what they want and are happy and loved, and their mate is happy in their role and is loved, andno one's being oppressed or hurt or abused or taken for granted, what's the problem? Why isn't that equal? It is to me. Equal partners, in my estimation, does not mean we divide the chores, responsibilites, problems, and bills straight down the middle. Equal partners in a relationship means that he and I discuss what we want out of that relationship, what we will each bring to it, what we want and expect from each other, and the things we will do to make it work for us ;and both of us then set to the task of equally contributing to the success of the relationship and each other's happiness. That's what equal partners is to me.<<











You can't both be equal partners, and occupy traditional gender roles at the same time. Thats like having your cake and eating it too.
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