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i think that when we christians date like the world dates- with all of the intimacy that invovles (read sex), it is almost impossible to remain friends after a break-up. but if we date in purity/abstinence, a break-up will be much less likely to result in the loss of a friend.

just what i've observed.
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- November 11th, 2009, 08:36 pm
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I strongly second that sentiment, even though I tried the secondary course of action in my most recent relationship, and we still did not exactly part as "friends." However, you definitely part with less hard feelings, when the relationship has not been complicated by physical intimacy (Well, I'm speaking for myself. She might have harder feelings for all I know. And, part of the problem was she tried to push me into physical intimacy before I was ready. I did not want to fall into the modern trap of "serial monogamy." Therefore, she might have had hard feelings. However, there were no hard feelings on my part).

Anyways, good to see you back young skywatcher ... I really appreciate your spirit!
- November 12th, 2009, 03:00 am
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Anyways, good to see you back young skywatcher ... I really appreciate your spirit!
Thanks rix! I've been lurking and often write posts but rarely hit the "submit reply" button. I'm not sure why the threads around here so often turn into heated, religious debate. (I'm way off topic here, sorry OP.)

Maybe it's because God speaks so intimately to each of us, in our own heart language. It's sometimes hard to put the feelings of your heart into words and not be misunderstood. God may have revealed something to me or required something of me that makes no sense to someone else. He's just so good that way! Accepting and loving us unconditionally just as we are. Goodness, I could go on and on about His love, but I'm way off topic so I better stop now.
- November 12th, 2009, 04:49 pm
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notyet wrote :
if we date in purity/abstinence, a break-up will be much less likely to result in the loss of a friend.

just what i've observed.
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- November 12th, 2009, 08:20 pm
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WYskywatcher wrote :
Thanks rix! I've been lurking and often write posts but rarely hit the "submit reply" button. I'm not sure why the threads around here so often turn into heated, religious debate. (I'm way off topic here, sorry OP.)

Maybe it's because God speaks so intimately to each of us, in our own heart language. It's sometimes hard to put the feelings of your heart into words and not be misunderstood. God may have revealed something to me or required something of me that makes no sense to someone else. He's just so good that way! Accepting and loving us unconditionally just as we are. Goodness, I could go on and on about His love, but I'm way off topic so I better stop now.

Beautifully expressed! I guess my main struggle is whether the inner conflict is due to going against thought patterns that have been ingrained in me since childhood, or actually struggling against the spirit of God. I often wish I could start over with a proverbial Tabula Rosa, or blank slate. It would definitely make the discernment process easier.

But then again, the issue lies at the heart of all agnosticisms; Is the voice I'm hearing from within my own voice or my own mind, or is it from a transcendent source far greater than myself?

However, I appreciate the way you have brought the "heart language" into it. Does my course of thought/action produce inner peace or conflict (But then again, we are right back at the issues of ingrained thought pattern or struggling against a transcendent source of beauty, goodness, and holiness witnessing to one's spirit ). But perhaps, the recognition lies in the wisdom to know whether I am motivated to a higher level of goodness than I am humanly capable of; or on the other side of the equation, to further depths of depravity and evil. After all, could such depraved evil as we have witnessed in our lifetime, go beyond what human beings are capable of, and not be motivated by a source of supernatural evil? Atheists/Agnostics will often contend that it is not "evil" when those in the animal kingdom stalk and kill their prey to survive. However, it is qualitatively different when humans engage in such acts of "evil," since we are not automatons who function by instinct, but the faculty of reason makes humans qualitatively different, and capable of "real" evil.

However, the "heart language" also motivates us to levels of goodness that we are not normally capable of, and that must come from a transcendent source far greater than ourselves. But yet, like you have emphasized, it cannot adequately be expressed by words, and it often gets lost in translation.
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rix wrote :
...I often wish I could start over with a proverbial Tabula Rosa, or blank slate. It would definitely make the discernment process easier...
no, it would not...
- November 14th, 2009, 12:51 am
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no, it would not...
How so? Granted, certain things come with wisdom through the years, and a lifetime of study.
- November 14th, 2009, 04:31 am
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in my opinion, you just answered for me...

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Maybe you should delete all reference to where you posted & all replies and just show him your original post with a note, "You're appreciated!" You both may care very much for each other but have the work situation putting a boundary on your relationship.
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Maybe you should delete all reference to where you posted & all replies and just show him your original post with a note, "You're appreciated!" You both may care very much for each other but have the work situation putting a boundary on your relationship.
That's a cracking idea, I never thought of doing that! I think I have just the right card in my card collection too!
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