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Is virginity still relevant to the general Christian population? Is the whole concept out-of-date and no longer useful? Nowhere does the Bible forbid sex outside of marriage in loving and exclusive relationships. Even Christian men think that sex is an important part of a relationship.
- October 16th, 2009, 06:16 pm
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Is virginity still relevant to the general Christian population? Is the whole concept out-of-date and no longer useful? Nowhere does the Bible forbid sex outside of marriage in loving and exclusive relationships. Even Christian men think that sex is an important part of a relationship.
It doesn't matter if it isn't relevant to the general Christian population. It is relevant to those who are virgins and those who are in a relationship with a virgin.

No, I don't consider virginity to be an out-dated concept at all.

It is not only Christian men who think that sex is an important part of a relationship. I believe this too.

There are Scriptures which I believe are speaking against fornication. My understanding of fornication is that it is sex between two people who are not married, or not married to each other. This activity is not validated by it being within a loving and exclusive relationship.

I have never found a Scripture encouraging sex outside of marriage. Since marriage is encouraged and sex within marriage is encouraged (actually the impression I get from Paul is that the husband and wife are meant to take great delight in each other's sexuality), I have concluded that sex and marriage belong together; whilst sex without marriage does not.
- October 16th, 2009, 08:24 pm
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Well said, meri. Your voice echos my beliefs too.

The sanctity of sex belonging solely in marriage is not something we made up.

We are sinners saved by grace. We are to be new creatures in Christ. Not only is it relevant to God that we keep our bodies pure, but our minds also.

This is surely not accomplished without God's help.

I am painfully aware of my own shortcomings, the ways in my life that I don't honor Christ.

God's standards for Christians are high. He doesn't expect us to reach these standards sans His help.

We follow Christ, not the general Christian population.
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- October 16th, 2009, 09:58 pm
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Please note, we had another thread like this on this group but the higher powers of eHa had to close it due to words that kept occuring that are on the watch list so think carefully on your wording as you post on this. I think it is a relevant topic to those it matters to and I would hate to see another thread closed on this issue.
- October 16th, 2009, 11:09 pm
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The Bible speaks of sexual immorality in vague terms, and only later have people extrapolated its language to encompass premarital sex. Several subsequent translations and cultural attitudes gave new meaning different from the original intent. Many theologians and churches realize this and are studying the original Greek for original intent.

Premarital sex is not against the scriptures if it is conducted in loving, sharing and exclusive relationships. How can sex with someone you live or love be evil, since making love is biologically necessary for living normal and productive lives.Is it realistic or healthy to refrain from sex into one's mid twenties or later? The scriptures don't condone jumping into bed with anyone and everyone, and they don't condone being anti-sex.

Read the Bible yourself for answers, and don't follow through with behavior that you think is sinful. And don't permit people to mislead you into thinking it says what it does not.
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Adrienne89 wrote :
Is virginity still relevant to the general Christian population? Is the whole concept out-of-date and no longer useful? Nowhere does the Bible forbid sex outside of marriage in loving and exclusive relationships. Even Christian men think that sex is an important part of a relationship.
I could quote many scriptures concerning the opposite of what you had said, but I will not. If this is really important to you then do a word search on fornication and fornicators and you will have a real awakening of what God thinks about this matter.
- October 17th, 2009, 02:32 pm
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Virginity is just a part of sexual fidelity. And I think a person's current attitude towards sex outside of marriage is a very weighty topic. I don't think I'm alone in this either. I don't want a promiscous wife and I don't want to be that type of man either.

I am a virgin and I intend to remain so until I'm marriage. I feel fully supported by not just scripture but the wisdom I have learned through my life.

~Paul
- October 17th, 2009, 04:52 pm
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Adrienne89 wrote :
The Bible speaks of sexual immorality in vague terms, and only later have people extrapolated its language to encompass premarital sex. Several subsequent translations and cultural attitudes gave new meaning different from the original intent. Many theologians and churches realize this and are studying the original Greek for original intent.

Premarital sex is not against the scriptures if it is conducted in loving, sharing and exclusive relationships. How can sex with someone you live or love be evil, since making love is biologically necessary for living normal and productive lives.Is it realistic or healthy to refrain from sex into one's mid twenties or later? The scriptures don't condone jumping into bed with anyone and everyone, and they don't condone being anti-sex.

Read the Bible yourself for answers, and don't follow through with behavior that you think is sinful. And don't permit people to mislead you into thinking it says what it does not.
Well:
~ Please quote the Scriptural references which you believe are in vague terms.

~ The word pre-marital was first recorded in the English language in 1885. It is therefore, a relatively new term and not surprising that the Bible does not expressly forbid pre-marital sex.

~ The Old Testament Scriptures were written originally primarily in Hebrew, with some Aramaic. The New Testament was written in Greek. Yet there are Scriptures in both against fornication. This undermines the belief that humans have misconstrued the original content of the Greek.

~ The Ten Commandments. The seventh commandment is 'Thou shalt not commit adultery'. This is to all people - not just those who are married. Most of us will know of at least one couple where one is married and one is not and they are having an affair. This is adultery. This is also fornication - having sex with someone to whom you are not married.

Making love is not necessary to live a normal and productive life. Making love is necessary to have children and as a very important expression of physical love. I don't need it to land a job or promotion, learn a new skill, make new friends, have successful relationships with people.

If you believe specific Scripture or Scriptures are encouraging sex without marriage - in any form - please quote them.
- October 17th, 2009, 06:05 pm
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I think a bigger question is what are you willing to give up if God asks you? I don't believe virginity in itself is that big a deal, but I do believe that it is a huge sacrifice, which is what we as Christians are requested to make and which can be an amazing testament of faith. If you're not willing to give up something as non-essential to individual survival as sex, what are you willing to let go of?
- October 17th, 2009, 11:50 pm
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peppermint4209 wrote :
I think a bigger question is what are you willing to give up if God asks you? I don't believe virginity in itself is that big a deal, but I do believe that it is a huge sacrifice, which is what we as Christians are requested to make and which can be an amazing testament of faith. If you're not willing to give up something as non-essential to individual survival as sex, what are you willing to let go of?
are you saying that god may ask us to fornicate? to sin? to go against what he has expressly forbidden?
- October 18th, 2009, 02:32 pm
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