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faith n god a want to apologize to you for this as looking back it was someone else who said this,, things got a little out of hand here, i hope the rest of you can also forgive me for my shortcomings as i let this thing get the better of me tumbleweed [larry]
Tumbles, it was good of you to post this.

Misunderstandings are inevitable between people. It's how we handle our disagreements that can make a difference in our relationships.
- September 19th, 2009, 12:10 am
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I think the problem that comes up with this thread topic as well as a lot of thread topics in this Group is that some come to the group with a differing set of expectations.

In every circle I've ever been in that was called Christian, there was uniform belief and acceptance that Christianity meant a belief that Jesus was the Son of God who came to this earth through form of virgin birth, lived a sinless life, died on the cross as the sacrifice for our sins, was raised from the dead on the 3rd day, is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and is one day coming again. It also meant recognizing that we as a sinful human being needed to repent for our sinful state and accept Christ and his sacrifice as payment for our sins and to give our lives to Him.

There was also uniform belief and acceptance that God's Word, The Bible was final authority on all matters. That meant that if my reasoning and intellect felt one way, and God's Word said something else then you go with what God said.

I think there are some such as myself that believe when they see a group name such as Christian Singles that this is the kind of belief system that is present. I mean sure there might be some quibbling around the edges, but there would be a lot more agreement than disagreement.

What you find though in this group as well as I'm sure what you would find in any online group is that there are very wide and diverse views on what it means to be a Christian, and how much if any of the Bible is actually relevant to today. You could have a 50 page discussion just on what constitutes being a Christian, and you wouldn't come anywhere near an agreement. If you're like myself, and have always been surrounded by those who believe as I outlined then it is somewhat of a culture shock to find out there are those who believe there is no need to believe that Jesus was actually the Son of God or that he was born of a virgin. In fact some will think you strange and ignorant for holding onto such myths. Similarly you could have a 50 page discussion on the Bible and there too come nowhere near an agreement.

So having said all that you should not think it strange that there's not going to be agreement on a topic such as saving sex for marriage. I could post an ironclad argument that the Bible teaches through the words of Jesus and the New Testament that sex is only for marriage, but that would be a waste of time. If you believe similarly to what I do then you already know that, and if you have a different view then it doesn't matter because you have your own basis for your beliefs, and we're not going to get anywhere shouting back and forth.

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Whew!! This subject always seems to stir the passions (pun intended)!!

To the original OP, (if she is still around) I'm hollerin' back at ya'. I'm 37, divorced, mom of 7 year old son and just finished a study by Kay Arthur entitled, "Return to the Garden: Embracing God's Design for Sexuality."

It's promoted as a women's Bible study but Kay addresses men in the study also. (So I think guy's who are brave enough to "go there" would enjoy it too!)
- September 19th, 2009, 12:28 am
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Following up on what I said above, one might ask, "Then how should you respond to such a topic?"

Do I believe the Bible teaches that sex is only for marriage? Yes. As a Christian do I believe that God expects me to follow this teaching? Yes.

Just like anyone I am weak and subject to fall. I have been able to follow this teaching so far because of God's grace and not because of any great will-power on my part. Since my divorce I have not been in a setting where there was opportunity. In all honesty though if I were alone with someone that I really cared about and where there were romantic sparks then I know it would be difficult. The answer I can give you is that I am trying to build my personal relationship with Christ on a daily basis, and hopefully when I do get to a point like that I will have the strength to make the right decision.

It is my belief that if the Bible teaches something then there is good reason to teach it and follow it. There should be evidence around us that bears that teaching out. For instance if the Bible teaches that sex is for marriage only then there would also be some good practical reasons for this. The Bible tells us that when you are joined with someone sexually then a bond is formed and you become as one spiritually (1 Corinthians 6:15,16). If bonds are formed during sex, and there is no commitment, then eventually someone is going to get hurt. Yes I know breakups even without sex can be hurtful, but if there is that bond that was formed through sex then it is going to be worse.

For those who say that pre-maritial sex is no different then any other sin then I would refer them to 1 Cor. 6:18. Of course if you don't believe the Bible is relevant on this topic then there's no need to read.

I want to believe I'll make it, and the next time I have sex will be with a future wife on a honeymoon. If I don't though I won't rationalize, intellectualize, or equivocate. If I make that mistake then I'll have no choice but to acknowledge that it was a wrong choice. It is my belief though that if you start rationalizing, intellectualizing, and equivocating now before you get there then you're already making the choice.
- September 19th, 2009, 12:50 am
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Thanks for so clearly stating your thoughts in your posts. I especially appreciated your honesty in stating your background so we can understand where you are coming from.
- September 19th, 2009, 05:35 am
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waltercl wrote :
Following up on what I said above, one might ask, "Then how should you respond to such a topic?"

Do I believe the Bible teaches that sex is only for marriage? Yes. As a Christian do I believe that God expects me to follow this teaching? Yes.

Just like anyone I am weak and subject to fall. I have been able to follow this teaching so far because of God's grace and not because of any great will-power on my part. Since my divorce I have not been in a setting where there was opportunity. In all honesty though if I were alone with someone that I really cared about and where there were romantic sparks then I know it would be difficult. The answer I can give you is that I am trying to build my personal relationship with Christ on a daily basis, and hopefully when I do get to a point like that I will have the strength to make the right decision.

It is my belief that if the Bible teaches something then there is good reason to teach it and follow it. There should be evidence around us that bears that teaching out. For instance if the Bible teaches that sex is for marriage only then there would also be some good practical reasons for this. The Bible tells us that when you are joined with someone sexually then a bond is formed and you become as one spiritually (1 Corinthians 6:15,16). If bonds are formed during sex, and there is no commitment, then eventually someone is going to get hurt. Yes I know breakups even without sex can be hurtful, but if there is that bond that was formed through sex then it is going to be worse.

For those who say that pre-maritial sex is no different then any other sin then I would refer them to 1 Cor. 6:18. Of course if you don't believe the Bible is relevant on this topic then there's no need to read.

I want to believe I'll make it, and the next time I have sex will be with a future wife on a honeymoon. If I don't though I won't rationalize, intellectualize, or equivocate. If I make that mistake then I'll have no choice but to acknowledge that it was a wrong choice. It is my belief though that if you start rationalizing, intellectualizing, and equivocating now before you get there then you're already making the choice.
well amagine that, you ,, me on the opisit sides of thing againwell the ^&% guna hit the fan nowbut seriously good to have you here,,i think your right in letting people know where your comming from ,, ive been asked about my background before, i think it helps if one knows i little about the other person so they can understand them better,, you and me have had a few disagreements in the past but iv learned a lot more about you since that time and am now better to chatt on a much more understanding basis with you,, for those of you who dont know me yet well this is who i am,, i consider myself a young cristian as ive only believed about 5 years now,,, when i was a kid my parents tock me to a methadist church but me and my counsins were always getting kicked out [ for walking on the roof and such] at that time i thought all the stories were like fary tales,,,as i got older i saw a lot of negative stuff about the church,, i mean give me a break, your good cause your cristian,,, when i was 25 i married a cristian woman and then at 30 we moved to texas[i grew up in califonia] when we got to tx we started to go to a methadist church,, in sunday school class i told them my beleifs and they were fine with that and welcomed me in,,i got to be good freinds with the pastor,, we had many long talks,, he was i biology teacher befor a pastor so he believed in evolution,,witch was great as that is what makes sence to me, he tought me how evolution and god can fit together,,it wasnt untill i was in my 40s that i started to wonder if there was something mor to this cristian thing,,well when my ex filed for devorce and clamed i was the bad one as she was a cristian,, well some of you thought i was joking when you saw my spelling, some thought i was playing games with yall, no this is who i am,, i also have a hard time reading for any lenth of time, so when i tried to read the bible i couldnt get to far,, a freind told me since i have plenty of time to listen as a truck driver i should get the bible on dvds so i did and it was great , now the hours of driving i could fill with something i realy liked the biggest differance i see in the way i see thing in the bible is im self tought and wasnt tought by a church,,i do fell that god has had i big hand in teaching me and i do believe there is a reson for this,,i do know that we understand by the way we learn and we all have gone to differant schools but if we all werk to see the other side we can benifit all and grow as cristians,,,,,,,tumbleweed

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Does it mean I'm going so some really hot place (already in AZ, can't get much worse) if I joined group and am not by some people's standards a Christian (ie I believe that "the" (pick one) bible is man's ever changing / usually self serving interpretation of "god's word")?

Sorry to be sour, but sick of people professing their "purity" as a means of seeking accolades for being so "strong." In my book those who are strong are those who do it quietly / without seeking any form of reciprocity. In business school they call it Management By Example. If you want to judge others (ie not date them because they are not "pure" enough for you), I could suggest a couple chapters of most any bible that you should go back and read.

Do what is right for you, PERIOD. If judging others is your cup of tea, don't complain or be surprised when you see "MATCH CLOSED." In my book, those who profess of being "pure" have a lot of other places to start cleaning. Those who quietly stay true to their values and do good, avoiding recognition are the pure ones.

Smile and have a nice day D@mnit!
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tumbleweed wrote :
i like your thoughts,,we should take a walk and discuss this stuff i feel we have much to learn from each other
An excellent choice of words...our faith is a journey on which we walk together, building one another up in truth and love.
- September 19th, 2009, 11:08 pm
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olneyjeeps wrote :
Does it mean I'm going so some really hot place (already in AZ, can't get much worse) if I joined group and am not by some people's standards a Christian (ie I believe that "the" (pick one) bible is man's ever changing / usually self serving interpretation of "god's word")?

Sorry to be sour, but sick of people professing their "purity" as a means of seeking accolades for being so "strong." In my book those who are strong are those who do it quietly / without seeking any form of reciprocity. In business school they call it Management By Example. If you want to judge others (ie not date them because they are not "pure" enough for you), I could suggest a couple chapters of most any bible that you should go back and read.

Do what is right for you, PERIOD. If judging others is your cup of tea, don't complain or be surprised when you see "MATCH CLOSED." In my book, those who profess of being "pure" have a lot of other places to start cleaning. Those who quietly stay true to their values and do good, avoiding recognition are the pure ones.

Smile and have a nice day D@mnit!
vary well said,, the only one your going to have to justafy your self to is jesas and thats between you and him
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cardguy wrote :
An excellent choice of words...our faith is a journey on which we walk together, building one another up in truth and love.
you got it,,although we may never agree on this point its good to learn why some think differant than you but from my understanding the truth is waiting at the end of the line[the kingdom of heaven]
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