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The community standards are no personal attacks, but there are personal attacks at the top of this group ever since I joined it. And if there's not attacking there's judging, and if they're not judging there is divisive conversation. And if not divisive conversation there is accusations of wrongdoing.

Please tell me, is this a group that follows Christ? The one about whom it is written in Matthew 12:

(18)"Here is my servant whom I have chosen,
the one I love, in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will proclaim justice to the nations.
(19)He will not quarrel or cry out;
no one will hear his voice in the streets.
(20)A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,
till he leads justice to victory.
(21)In his name the nations will put their hope."

Are we helping those who need help or feeding our own self-righteousness? Are people coming her with needs or do they see all the back-and-forth debate over words and find another home? What exactly is going on in this group?
- August 10th, 2009, 02:34 am
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cloudedleopard wrote :
The community standards are no personal attacks, but there are personal attacks at the top of this group ever since I joined it. And if there's not attacking there's judging, and if they're not judging there is divisive conversation. And if not divisive conversation there is accusations of wrongdoing.

Please tell me, is this a group that follows Christ? The one about whom it is written in Matthew 12:

(18)"Here is my servant whom I have chosen,
the one I love, in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will proclaim justice to the nations.
(19)He will not quarrel or cry out;
no one will hear his voice in the streets.
(20)A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,
till he leads justice to victory.
(21)In his name the nations will put their hope."

Are we helping those who need help or feeding our own self-righteousness? Are people coming her with needs or do they see all the back-and-forth debate over words and find another home? What exactly is going on in this group?
This is a good thought but, Here are some things I had notticed.

1) Not every one is in agreement to the written athority of the word of God and what that looks like. This creates a different starting point from where we are comming from.

2) Not everyone is in agreement. Some would call it interpetation I prefer the word application of the word of God.

3) We all are comming with various bias including my self pertaining to subjects.

4) This form of communication is flawed in that it is easy to misread a post or read into a post. I know that I have been guilty my self at this.

5) That leades me to Amos 3:3 the principle is, can two walk together unless they be agreed?

For me I am here to see if I can find others like minded as my self. Especially a woman. It is my desire to find a woman that we are in agreement with eachother. I dont want to convince anyone of anything. But it might appear that I step on some toes and I accept that. It will happen in my process of decerning who I can and can not communicate with. Those I find that I can not communicate with I leave alone to communicate with those they are able too.

I have people in my own family that I have difficulty communicating with and I have over 60 brothers and sisters in christ that I worship with each week that we Have lovely fellowship and communication together.

If I read one of your posts right you stated that you dont have anyone. If that is true then I am sorry to hear this and hope you find those with like hearts like yours. You have a sweet heart . But for me I don't relate with the way most here express their selves. And I dont feel like I need to. I relate in the way that is best for me. I am not saying that I am better than anyone but so far I see that I am different.

I would still like to hear what is on your mind concerning 1Cor 5.
- August 10th, 2009, 01:02 pm
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I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to Heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all. - Thomas Jefferson
- August 10th, 2009, 01:42 pm
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2) Not everyone is in agreement. Some would call it interpetation I prefer the word application of the word of God.

My young adults group at church recently went through a Bible study on understanding the Bible. I wish I could remember the name of the study and the man who gave it, but he outlined three steps for accurately reading the Bible:

1) Observation (What does it say? What information, of any kind, is given?)

2) Interpretation (Is everything in there applicable to me today? What is/are the messages? What is cultural and era-specific? What is applicable at all times? What does it mean?)

3) Application (Taking the information gleaned from observation and interpretation and applying it to your situation. Living what you have learned.)

In the study, interpretation and application were given equal place. You can't have one without the other.

I thought the study was great, though some may disagree. I have no argument with that. I just liked what I learned there and think it has real value when it comes to approaching the Bible as a student of God's Word.
- August 10th, 2009, 03:19 pm
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2) Not everyone is in agreement. Some would call it interpetation I prefer the word application of the word of God.

My young adults group at church recently went through a Bible study on understanding the Bible. I wish I could remember the name of the study and the man who gave it, but he outlined three steps for accurately reading the Bible:

1) Observation (What does it say? What information, of any kind, is given?)

2) Interpretation (Is everything in there applicable to me today? What is/are the messages? What is cultural and era-specific? What is applicable at all times? What does it mean?)

3) Application (Taking the information gleaned from observation and interpretation and applying it to your situation. Living what you have learned.)

In the study, interpretation and application were given equal place. You can't have one without the other.

I thought the study was great, though some may disagree. I have no argument with that. I just liked what I learned there and think it has real value when it comes to approaching the Bible as a student of God's Word.
Thank you, Lindsey
- August 10th, 2009, 07:21 pm
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my understanding of whats going on is kind of what i hear on the cb radio, ive driven trucks for 10 years and i see this comuniction similare but not as crude, if you were to take away the moderators it would be about the same,,, i can remember going thru dallas one sunday morning and there was a man preaching on the cb, well what sounded like a young man came accross and why dont you shut the F#@$ up no body want to here all thtat *&^(%$#,,*&^%$#%&, well i replyed i was enjoying what he had to say , this young man replied i was just a n%$# lover. befor i could reply there where 3 others defending me and the man preaching on the radio,, the young man never replied after that, now i dont know any of these people and will possibly never run acros them again , i see this going on all across the country,, the idea of saying what ever you want and not being acountable for it, most of you out there know vary little about me and i dont have to see any of you on a dayly bassis, this alowws me to be pretty much anonimus, so this gives me the ability to be what ever i want aand nobody will ever know,,
- August 10th, 2009, 09:24 pm
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tumbleweed wrote :
my understanding of whats going on is kind of what i hear on the cb radio, ive driven trucks for 10 years and i see this comuniction similare but not as crude, if you were to take away the moderators it would be about the same,,, i can remember going thru dallas one sunday morning and there was a man preaching on the cb, well what sounded like a young man came accross and why dont you shut the F#@$ up no body want to here all thtat *&^(%$#,,*&^%$#%&, well i replyed i was enjoying what he had to say , this young man replied i was just a n%$# lover. befor i could reply there where 3 others defending me and the man preaching on the radio,, the young man never replied after that, now i dont know any of these people and will possibly never run acros them again , i see this going on all across the country,, the idea of saying what ever you want and not being acountable for it, most of you out there know vary little about me and i dont have to see any of you on a dayly bassis, this alowws me to be pretty much anonimus, so this gives me the ability to be what ever i want aand nobody will ever know,,
God knows, He is the one we will answer to for all the words and deeds that caused someone harm or pain.

To everyone involved, the following is how we as Christians are directed to conduct ourselves.
I would venture to say this includes using scripture to hurt others.

Ephesians 4:29-32

"Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Git rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you."

Need there be any more said.

May there does. There are two parts to the first statement: those whose needs are to be met and those who may be listening (in our case reading). So, it seems to me we should be mindful of our tone, how that tone could be hurtful to someone checking things out. If the body is busy arguing and bickering amongst ourselves, how is that appealing to a hurting soul.

Remember, witnesses to God's profound and immeasurable love.
- August 10th, 2009, 10:47 pm
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tumbleweed wrote :
my understanding of whats going on is kind of what i hear on the cb radio, ive driven trucks for 10 years and i see this comuniction similare but not as crude, if you were to take away the moderators it would be about the same,,, i can remember going thru dallas one sunday morning and there was a man preaching on the cb, well what sounded like a young man came accross and why dont you shut the F#@$ up no body want to here all thtat *&^(%$#,,*&^%$#%&, well i replyed i was enjoying what he had to say , this young man replied i was just a n%$# lover. befor i could reply there where 3 others defending me and the man preaching on the radio,, the young man never replied after that, now i dont know any of these people and will possibly never run acros them again , i see this going on all across the country,, the idea of saying what ever you want and not being acountable for it, most of you out there know vary little about me and i dont have to see any of you on a dayly bassis, this alowws me to be pretty much anonimus, so this gives me the ability to be what ever i want aand nobody will ever know,,

Tumbleweed ... you crazy mother trucker!

I appreciate your capacity to think outside of the the box (or perhaps, I should say 8 x 5 semi cab), and the fresh air you bring to the group (I must not be downwind of your diesel fumes).

Blessings,

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- August 11th, 2009, 04:51 am
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my understanding of whats going on is kind of what i hear on the cb radio, ive driven trucks for 10 years and i see this comuniction similare but not as crude, if you were to take away the moderators it would be about the same,,, i can remember going thru dallas one sunday morning and there was a man preaching on the cb, well what sounded like a young man came accross and why dont you shut the F#@$ up no body want to here all thtat *&^(%$#,,*&^%$#%&, well i replyed i was enjoying what he had to say , this young man replied i was just a n%$# lover. befor i could reply there where 3 others defending me and the man preaching on the radio,, the young man never replied after that, now i dont know any of these people and will possibly never run acros them again , i see this going on all across the country,, the idea of saying what ever you want and not being acountable for it, most of you out there know vary little about me and i dont have to see any of you on a dayly bassis, this alowws me to be pretty much anonimus, so this gives me the ability to be what ever i want aand nobody will ever know,,
I want you to know that I do appreciate your willingness to step outside of the usual thought process. I should have clarified where I was coming from a bit better.

You are right in your statement that because we are online, we can not see each other, nor are we likely to meet each other, this gives permission to some to speak what they would not in front of a group of faces.

My original response was more for all of us to remember who we represent, who might be listening/reading and how we should be addressing each other. There are some here on Christian singles(not on this thread) that choose to use the site to admonish, condemn, and demean others. That is upsetting.

Even Jesus directed us to admonish one other by
"go and show him his fault, just between the two of you.... But if he will not listen, take one or two other along, so that every matter might be established by testimony." (Matthew 18:15) That direction is not possible here; everyone gets to read what is read. If insults are directed to one, there is no proper recourse. I don't believe this is the proper place for admonishment and condemnation is not our job.

I see this site as a place for support, encouragement, to ask questions and offer responses for the purpose of learning. We have all been given a measure of intelligence to process information and each of us processes and walks the journey according ot his/her needs.

Thank you for speaking up.
- August 11th, 2009, 09:02 am
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CL, Thank you for your willingness to voice your concerns. What I found in this group that enticed me to both stay and later accept my part in this group is the reality that, here, in this microcosm of church, those with questions and those with the beliefs that they have the answers can come together, can differ in opinion, can challenge each other. And in that process, all of us become more reliant on the one truth which is God to help us come to terms with the variations of belief brough by cultural and religious influences.

Some are afraid of doubt, of sharing needs, of disagreement as if we lessen God by not being perfect people. To me this strengthend the image of God. God has taken such a diversity of people and, somehow, over lengths of years and a cacophony of dessenting voices, has not changed from being God but continues to live in relationship to humans. This is the God I am coming to know and I am not willing to close a box in such a way that it becomes my blinders so that I lose that next thing God has for me to learn in my life.

Does this answers your concern? I don't know. All I know is that all of your voices here are helping me to come closer to my God. For that I give thanks.
- August 11th, 2009, 10:11 am
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