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Ouch. Does anyone here believe in evolution at all?


Correct spelling: independEnt, explanAtion.


disclaimer: please, don't think I am judging you for misspelling some words. I just like to educate people. (Jesus did, too, right?)


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wittykitty wrote :

Ouch. Does anyone here believe in evolution at all?


Correct spelling: independEnt, explanAtion.


disclaimer: please, don't think I am judging you for misspelling some words. I just like to educate people. (Jesus did, too, right?)

Thanks sis. But save your energy. If you do that with all of us, you'll be posting nothing else. Just try to ride it out as much as you can. Most of mine are typos, dyslexia, not wearing myglassesand fatique. I will try to do better
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Ouch. Does anyone here believe in evolution at all?


Correct spelling: independEnt, explanAtion.


disclaimer: please, don't think I am judging you for misspelling some words. I just like to educate people. (Jesus did, too, right?)

I don't have too many issues with the theoryevolution. God created all, but the bible doesn't go into great detail about the process. As I understand it, the churches biggest problem has to do with time lines. According to creation science the earth is only about 6,000 years old as opposed to millions of years evolution claims.We humansonlyget 75? 80? on average. I want to concentrate on those.
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Ouch. Does anyone here believe in evolution at all?

On the one hand, corn (ala maize) has grown from the size of a string bean to a football after hundreds of years of farmingselection. On the other hand, scientists generally agree that crocodiles have changed little since the beginning of time. One thing that can be more accurately measured is that humans have been becoming taller over the years. Over 200 years ago, George Washington was considered a giant at 6'2", but he'd be considered roughly average height by today's standards...


The thing is that the Bible is a theology book (which has been translated several times like a game of telephone). Did you know that Hebrew is written without vowels, spaces, or punctuation? How do you read the following (vowels make this example more straightforward): 'GODISNOWHERE' ?


Scientific meathod was created only a few hundred years ago. All the events described in the creation story happen in creation. A molecular cloud forms into a nebula thatforms into a solar system.The earth forms and develops an atmosphere from gassesspewed from volcanic actions. Tectonic plates form as the planet cools forming land masses. Plants could feed off all the CO2 thrown off by the previous volcanic actions. Life forms in the sea, air and land; and humans are created in the mix. Can we in our limited wisdom truly say that God's 'day'translates tothe same duration as our day? Concepts that science still fails to answer are first cause, first mover, and the synthesis of complex life from a vacuum. The big bang theory contradicts the rule that objects that are at rest tend to stay at rest. How can action spring from inaction in the vacuum of space? In conclusion, science (evolution) supports the creation story (even if not in a literal sense).
- October 23rd, 2008, 09:30 pm
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These designations are horribly limitting. They do not take into account people who may be social conservatives(anti-abortion, pro-gun etc.) and fiscal liberals (extend welfare benefits, increase property tax on the wealthy). Or conversley Social liberal (pro-choice, pro gay rights) and fiscal conservative (pro-oil companies, pro ceo tax cuts). Again these are very limiting examples and could be debated ad nauseum. As you say, in the middle are moderates. From that point, radiating left and right from the middlethere is a whole spectrum of differing views.


The majority of people don't realize that politics are not plotted on a line. They are actually plotted in a 2-D graph. Many people are aware of the left (democrats/liberals)which holds to the doctrine that the federal government should allow people to do as they please socially while controlling the economy. The right doctine (republicans/conservatives) is to regulate private life while taking a laissez-faire approach to the economy. That is just the x-axis. On the y-axis, you have the libertarian and totalitarian ideals which are independant of the two main political parties. Libertarianism holds that the federal government should minimize its regulation of the economy and private life and allow the states to regulate themselves instead. Beyond libertarianism lies anarchism which believes there shouldn't even be a government. Totalitarianism (despotism, tyranny, populist, socialism, communism, fascism etc.) holds that the federal government should hold total controlover the economy and private life.


I'm glad someone brought this up. I've actually seen this graph with some of the world's more famous leaders plotted into it. It's quite eye opening.
I aim to entertain. I haven't seen the graph with the world's leaders. Do you remember where you found it?
- October 23rd, 2008, 09:34 pm
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jamesp81 wrote :

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Yes they exist, but they're an endangered species, essentially. As J said above, the abortion thing is unequivocally nothing less than murder to most of us. Christian marriage is between a man and a woman, not two women and not two men. Just because the state declares it a marriage in the secular legal sense doesn't make it a marriage before God (conversely, just because the state says that a man and woman aren't legally married doesn't mean they aren't before God either).


God is love. Love does not include nor require acceptance or approval of sin or unbiblical ideas.


Good luck with your search. Your dating pool is pretty narrow and you're going to need all the luck you can get.


You can accept the sinner without accepting the sin - God did it for us.


Indeed you can do just that, and you should. But again, that doesn't require approval of the sinner's actions. God might have accepted me, but He still doesn't approve if I sin. He convicts, He tells me when I've done wrong, and if I'm really resisting, He punishes me for it.
That's my point though - accept and love the sinner and let God show them their sin. My point of view is that I don't care what sin is in your life - all I need to know is that you are human, therefore you have sin - I want to introduce you to God and He (the one with the right) can tell you what needs to change. I'm not giving approval of any particular action I'm saying God loves you where you are.
- October 24th, 2008, 01:30 am
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Thanks to all for a good discussion.


As to a brief statement of faith, to me the best is the Apostles Creed. I said it every Sunday growing up and it is still the best short answer to the question: what do I believe?


As to authority, I have to say, pray for those in authority -- especially those with whom you disagree (I made a little mental reminder to pray for the President whenever I see a flag...). And then vote for/support Ron Paul, haha! He wants to do away with most of the government.


Finally, on abortion, has anyone ever thought that maybe they are"playing"on this issue. I mean, say what you will, but the fact is that for many years, the "pro life" crowd was in office, and it still is, and what have they done to limit abortion. There have been things done at the state level, but at the federal level...not too much. I just wonder if they cynically bring this out, like the flag burning amendment, every time there is an election just to motivate the base and then when they are in office, kind of forget about it. It just seems odd tome that more has not been done on that front.
Making alcohol illegal didn't stop drinking - it glamorized and accelerated it. Making abortion illegal will only mean that the abortion is happening in an unregulated place. That means that it would be an unlicensed person doing it in what would likely be very unsanitary conditions - which means the mother will probably die too, a very painful death at that. I would never encourage an abortion, but it comes down to choosing whether one will die or both. I'd rather lose 1 life than 2.
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So 70% of our nation has brought their faiths with them well that's of their own free will


However did we SHOW them what ours was? no, we just sat by and then decided Well it offended their poor wittle feelings when we told them about Jesus.


NEWS FLASH!!


Jesus offended a whole city of people with what he said, the Pharisees who were the touchy feely preachers of God's word even disliked him.


It's time those of us who KNOW what's Right and Know what this nation was founded upon stand up be heard and be counted! We've sat back for too long and it's NOT too late to turn this nation around!


We need to return to God and stop accepting such corrupt behavior in the nation, and those of you who think it's alright can understand this. Many in Sodom & Gommorah felt it right as well and we see how well THAT worked out now didn't we.





Next subject the Rending unto Caesar


We were told that about the $$$


Who's face is on the money? The Presidents who led our government so naturally we SHOULD pay taxes, however that doesn't go so far as to AGREE with everything they do that's why we have Freedom of Speech and Assembly.


We're also told to give to God to whom all things are due, after all if he hadn't created us in the first place there wouldn't be governments nor money.
Actually the founding fathers were Deists. THey believed that God is real and responsible for creation, but it stopped there. They believed that God created us and then sat back to watch. And if someone finds my beliefs offensive, then they do - I"m just not going to shove it at them. I want to present Christ with love. You on the other hand seem very angry and that means that people are not going to listen to anything you say. How can they hear the Gospel if the way we present it is so completely obnoxious and arrogant that the walls go up faster than you can blink? I've seen it happen. I've also seen a lot of people who were unusually willing to listen to what I had to say because I wasn't pushing it on them. You can present the Gospel, you can pray for the people, but you can't make the horse drink. As the saying goes - You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I"m not saying to leave out the hard parts - there are too many of them for that to even be possible. I'm just saying that the focus of the Gospel is on redemption of sin - not sin itself.


And who said we shouldn't pay taxes? I know I didn't - that's just how the government works - they've got to get funding somewhere. I'm pretty sure we all know that.
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MagyarSHU wrote :

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Ouch. Does anyone here believe in evolution at all?





On the one hand, corn (ala maize) has grown from the size of a string bean to a football after hundreds of years of farmingselection. On the other hand, scientists generally agree that crocodiles have changed little since the beginning of time. One thing that can be more accurately measured is that humans have been becoming taller over the years. Over 200 years ago, George Washington was considered a giant at 6'2", but he'd be considered roughly average height by today's standards...


The thing is that the Bible is a theology book (which has been translated several times like a game of telephone). Did you know that Hebrew is written without vowels, spaces, or punctuation? How do you read the following (vowels make this example more straightforward): 'GODISNOWHERE' ?


Scientific meathod was created only a few hundred years ago. All the events described in the creation story happen in creation. A molecular cloud forms into a nebula thatforms into a solar system.The earth forms and develops an atmosphere from gassesspewed from volcanic actions. Tectonic plates form as the planet cools forming land masses. Plants could feed off all the CO2 thrown off by the previous volcanic actions. Life forms in the sea, air and land; and humans are created in the mix. Can we in our limited wisdom truly say that God's 'day'translates tothe same duration as our day? Concepts that science still fails to answer are first cause, first mover, and the synthesis of complex life from a vacuum. The big bang theory contradicts the rule that objects that are at rest tend to stay at rest. How can action spring from inaction in the vacuum of space? In conclusion, science (evolution) supports the creation story (even if not in a literal sense).
Also - the Hebrew word translated as day in Genesis can mean a literal 24 hour day OR a long (undefined) period of time.
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Making alcohol illegal didn't stop drinking - it glamorized and accelerated it. Making abortion illegal will only mean that the abortion is happening in an unregulated place. That means that it would be an unlicensed person doing it in what would likely be very unsanitary conditions - which means the mother will probably die too, a very painful death at that. I would never encourage an abortion, but it comes down to choosing whether one will die or both. I'd rather lose 1 life than 2.
Abortion is a very touchy subject for me because I believe that a friend of mine had an abortion because of something I said to her. After the abortion my friend grieved for that child just as if she'd had a misscarriage. That is something you don't hear about from abortion rights activists. Her only reason for the abortion was because she already had a baby. After the abortion all I could do was be supportive. God is the one that should judge a person not me.


I also think it is ironic that even on the secular websites about early human developement they refer to the unborn baby as a baby, it seems that even in the secular world the only difference that is made is that if a baby is wanted it's refered to as a baby from the time that the mother finds out she's pregnant, but if the mother decides she doesn't want it it becomes a fetus.
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