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pluto? the planets?come on jenn jenn lets stay on tract, the virgin mary ,, i have no problems with and understand why it was done that way, gods word i also have no problem with, but you want to talk about isaiah, so lets do ,, tell me about lavithon ,the colling sea serphant the magnificant creation of god, and how he used it to kill the beast and to spread his rapture on the earth, tell me why he had to kill laviathon by cruching his heads in the deasert, by thr way was lavathon 1 or 2 headed? you use terms like "it has more holes in than the swiss cheese i have and will consume in my entire life" now tell me about laviathon or is it like you said so many holes,,,,,,
- June 26th, 2009, 06:17 pm
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There are three significant references to the Leviathan. I looked up all three. Two refer to an actual sea serpent, but don't say anything about multiple heads. Those references are located in Isaiah and in Job. The one with the word head as plural is located in Psalms. I cross referenced the verse and found that this Leviathan is a symbol of Egypt. The crushing of the heads is directly related to the story of where God heard His people (Israel) cry for freedom. There is still nothing about evolution. Once again, creation is the winning factor. Evolution, swiss cheese my friend.
- June 28th, 2009, 05:00 am
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vary good, you looked it up,, but still cant tell me any more than what the bible says about liviathon, wich is vary little , why is laviathon even in the bible? kind of sounds like something is missing,,or how do you put it, swiss cheese,,again this isnt about winning,its about understanding,, every thing you and i do leaves behind fingerprints, i use the term figerprints figuritivly, ever thing that has ever happened leaves behind these fingerprints,, you could take all the bibles ever made and stake them up against all the fingerprint of evolution and the finger prints would bury all the bibles,, all the bibles come from just one sorce were as the fingerprints come from all over the world and if you just open you eyes you will see them all around,, if you look at just 10% of the evodence of evolution you would see that is far more than what the bible has to offer,,its real simple , god created things thru a prosses and that prosses is still going on today, the prosses is called evolution,,anouther term used for it in the bible is, "Free will",,you may ask what my point to all this is? well its like this , the church keep so many people away due to old and outdated material,, people dont want to come to chuches who just continualy lie about the truth, not saying all churches, there are still some good ones out there,,
- June 28th, 2009, 10:28 pm
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vary good, you looked it up,, but still cant tell me any more than what the bible says about liviathon, wich is vary little , why is laviathon even in the bible? kind of sounds like something is missing,,or how do you put it, swiss cheese,,again this isnt about winning,its about understanding,, every thing you and i do leaves behind fingerprints, i use the term figerprints figuritivly, ever thing that has ever happened leaves behind these fingerprints,, you could take all the bibles ever made and stake them up against all the fingerprint of evolution and the finger prints would bury all the bibles,, all the bibles come from just one sorce were as the fingerprints come from all over the world and if you just open you eyes you will see them all around,, if you look at just 10% of the evodence of evolution you would see that is far more than what the bible has to offer,,its real simple , god created things thru a prosses and that prosses is still going on today, the prosses is called evolution,,anouther term used for it in the bible is, "Free will",,you may ask what my point to all this is? well its like this , the church keep so many people away due to old and outdated material,, people dont want to come to chuches who just continualy lie about the truth, not saying all churches, there are still some good ones out there,,
- June 28th, 2009, 10:29 pm
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Hey, if you want to believe in evolution, it's your deal. But to say that the Bible is outdated, um...that is an argument that you will never, never, NEVER get me to believe. You brought up leviatan. It's a sea serpent, point blank.

Free will has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution by definition is a species going through a series of mutations to become another species. 10% of evolutionary facts couldn't hold a candle to one verse in the Bible. Free will is making choices that can change our personal life. We have the choice to eat out or in, receive Christ or not, pray or not, drive or walk, stop or go. The consequences that follow (good or bad,) are a result of the choices that we make. Free will doesn't change DNA which is what you are now suggesting.

Until you open your eyes, I'm talking Spiritual eyes, you will never understand this. You say that God does things through a process. I completely disagree with that statement as being an "always" statement. When you say it in that context, you're stepping into dangerous territory because you are putting limits on God and it puts the whole idea of salvation into question. When I got saved, I was God's child completely. It's not like I had to go to church for 90 days to be fully redeemed and receive LIFE insurance. It was instantaneous.

I'm with Dory on this. You won't convince me and I'm not here to convince you. However, my point on this is that evolution is a lie and the Bible is complete, sovereign, absolute Truth for yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I'm not in this to win. I seek understanding through discussions and comments both on the internet and real life. What I receive outside of the Bible, I cross reference with the Bible. Whatever doesn't check out with what God says, is not true and to say otherwise is offensive to any true believer in Christ.

I personally subscribe to a science magazine because I enjoy science. I loved it when I was a child and still do now. However, science is faulty because it is based on theories and proclamations solely from man. Saying that 10% of science is far more sufficient than anything the Bible can prescribe to us, well, that's a foolish statement. Proverbs and Dueteronomy both caution against adding to the Word of God. Anyone who adds to the Word of God is a false witness and will be held accountable for the blood of the lost whom he/she led astray. Be careful what you say about the Bible and it's sufficiency. You are attacking God directly when you speak against the Bible.

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no where in any of the statement ive made have i put thebible down or questioned the truth of it, the bible itself has updated the old to the new,, the new covenant, so yes by saying outdated im not going againt the bible, even you youself go against the bible by teaching men the bible, or did you just skip over that part, not that i would disagree with you as this might also be?? ,,,,so let me get what your saying straight? you state that if its not cosistant with god [the bible] than its not true and the bible hasnt left anything out, lets go back to the first question i asked you about cain,,well acording to your own logic this cant be as its just not there,or is like you said about swiss cheese
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tumbleweed wrote :
all the bibles come from just one sorce
Yes, and since that source is God and He was an eye witness, I'm good with that!

If you believe in evolution, then you believe that man is becoming better and better, even though the Bible states that we will "wax worse and worse" (2Timothy 3:13). God said, "Let us make man in our image." If God made man in His own image and we are becoming better and better than each day we are exceeding God (which would be our starting point). Believing you are better or as good as God got Satan in a lot of trouble.

"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1) Sometimes you just have to accept by faith. "Lord, I believe; help Thou mine unbelief." (Mark 9:24)
- June 30th, 2009, 07:18 am
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tumbleweed wrote :
i am a cristen and dont understand why so many cristens wont exsept the truth? now lets take evolution,, we are out of the dark ages and are able to see things as a free person and not by what the church demands,, the bible ,the cornerstone af cristyanity says nothing that wouldnt alow for evoloution as a way god made things to fit so well,,on the other hand the evedence of evolution is all around us

I agree that ALL people would benefit by thinking for themselves, and to search truth by scripture, and the evidence which demonstrates Yahua (GOD) is all around us.
Genesis chapter 2:4-7 gives reason to believe that a "thousand years is as day, and a day is a thousand years" may apply to the process of creation as well as the other verses it is actually used in.
Genesis chapter 1 "GOD said…… " The theory of evolution seeks to deny that GOD said or did ANYTHING. Whatever intricate activity goes on within the living organisms that Yahua (GOD) created, that activity happens BECAUSE, "God Said". Whether each thing was created within a thousand years or an actual day, makes no difference to the fact that "GOD SAID"
Whatever the shifting of geographical components, makes no difference to the fact that "GOD SAID"…. And it came to be.
Is it possible that you are not clear on the vast number of ways that the theory of evolution seeks to contradict the scriptures? It would be a good idea for you to study the scriptures more carefully, so that you can discern more accurately, as a "FREE THINKER" why the theory of evolution cannot possibly be joined with faith in Yahua (GOD)

Wish you well,
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- June 30th, 2009, 10:44 am
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The Bible does not say anywhere that women cannot teach what it says. If it was a sin, where are the consequences of Timothy's mother and grandmother who were used of God to prepare his heart for Paul's message. Women should not (according to Baptist views) be the head of the church, and I agree with that, but what about Sunday School Teachers? A great deal of women teach Sunday School. What about leading in music? Many successful churches have women in charge of music ministries. What about children's ministries? A woman should not be the head of the church, that's a man's place.

Just to throw out another verse to you, the Bible also states that all men are liars in Psalm 6 I believe.

In the context of what you have written, readers may interpret it as I have that you are challenging the Bible. It may not be your intention, but that is how it is being communicated. You want answers to questions that are not as significant as you think they are. Cain's wife (in my belief) was his sister. After reading through the Word, if creation is true, then there is no other logical answer. I've already written how sin affected us through the ages. As Dory stated in her last post, we get worse and worse. Notice how she referenced the Bible? As sin continues to consume us, we can't have sexual relations with close relatives because our children will have a higher potential for birth defects. Adam and Eve were created in perfection. God took from Adam's rib and created Eve. Their children were born after sin entered the world a little less perfect because of sin. But God told them to be fruitful and multiply. Why doesn't God list all of the children of Adam and Eve? Possibly because it was not important to God. Did God put your name and parents' names in the Bible? How about your kids, are they listed? What about all of the names of King David's brothers? Are they listed? Did David have any sisters? Why doesn't God list them? They aren't significant to the story, that's why. That's why my name isn't listed either. I can tell you this: My name is listed in the Book of Life.

My devotion last night was in Isaiah chapter 40. In verses 6-8 God says that His Word stands forever. It's not just the old testament or just the new testament, it's both together. The NT doesn't replace the OT. Jesus even says (I believe in Matt or John) that He had not come to replace the Old Law. The OT also speaks about the return of Christ in Daniel 9. Isaiah has prophesies of Christ's return spread throughout. In fact, Genesis talks about the One who will bruise His heel while crushing the snake's head. Isaiah 40:28 The Lord is everlasting, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary. None can fathom His understanding.

I have read the Bible from one cover to the other and continue to study it, not just because I am a Christian, but because I want some understanding in this world of chaos. The Bible has one source, and it is God. We can't understand Him completely because He is infinite. We are finite, limited. The case for creation only has been supported by other writers on this topic, but I have not seen a single Scriptural reference posted supporting evolution. Show me just one verse that even refers to evolution or the evolved man and I'll open my mind to believing in evolution. You won't be able to find one. God is the Creator, not the Evolutor. Like I said, if it's against Scripture, I can't believe it.

Here's something you might consider reading before fully supporting any ideas of evolution: the Lie: Evolution by Ken Ham. Carl Kerby, a brilliant scholar, left his job of air traffic control after reading this book and realizing that God really is the Creator of earth. It's written by a man, so you might be more open to understanding what is said about creation and evolution.
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tumbleweed wrote :
the church has fuaght since its beginning to teach what they have belived to be the truth,, even when they were vary wrong , this has been recorded thru out history, just a few examples are ,, witches ,, the world is acualy round, and we arnt the center of the universe, ,, all this and much more we have learn, not from science but thru science, many great minds hve been silenced due to what they have learned to be true,, when the church has long been in controll of what you can or cant believe,,, i could ask you 1 simple question about the bible you wont be able to answer and it has to do with evolution, ,, now dont assume or add something the bible dosent say,,, if adam and eve were the first,when they had to sons, cane and able, cane was cast out,, who was he afraid of?,,if you can answer this with some kind of truth, not just asumptions or something made up you may have some basis for your belief,, i know you wont be able to answer this as there is nothing to back it,, this is in , well you know exactly were its at ,, in the beginning,, this part of the beginning highly suggest, that ther were other people at the same time as adam and eve or there would be no one for cane to be afraid of?,, and where did he find his wife? if there were no one else ?? none of this have i made up, its all in the bible,,

Tumbleweed,
Bravo!!!! For these statements I commend you.
when the church has long been in controll of what you can or cant believe,,, i could ask you 1 simple question about the bible you wont be able to answer and it has to do with evolution, ,, now dont assume or add something the bible dosent say,,, if adam and eve were the first,when they had to sons, cane and able, cane was cast out,, who was he afraid of?
Consider however, a slight alteration to what you have stated, will you? The church does not control what people believe. Preachers merely present, in an often-condescending manner, a list of doctrines, which they desire their parishioners to adhere to. The listeners simply chose whether they accept what is being taught.
Next, in order to give an answer to your question "who was Cain afraid of?" I will have to ask you, to think about it without neither adding anything to scripture nor taking anything out. We are shown explicitly that Adam and Eve were the first people to be created and HOW they were created AND FORMED. Adam is spoken of through out scripture as being a type of first-fruit and an example. Therefore a reasonable explanation for who Cain was afraid of , which I have not been liked for discussing, is that it is possible that after Adam and Eve were formed, sometime after the fall, Yahua (GOD) also formed others exactly the same way he did Adam and Eve. This theory does not require any alteration to scripture to be possible. It just cannot be stated as a fact without being stated in scripture. Consider also the Nephilum, which people do not usually like to discuss.


I'll be watching for what you have to say about this.
Take care,
Lisa

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