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PG-13 is offline PG-13 Post #71  January 31,2012, 2:45pm
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I have both spiritual but not religious AND Christian as settings for matches- I have myself identified as Christian, non denominational (that seems to make the most sense) - I really need a middle step between that and spiritual but not religious, (something like Christianly spiritual) but I think its the most accurate...
 
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I agree with a lot of the advice. You sound like an intelligent interesting man. At 23, being under employed as you are might not be such a big deal.That's the age of potential. Actually at that age, living with parents can be a bigger deal since you need at least one of you to have your own place for private time!

But getting close to 30 you are really fully grown up and looking for an intelligent, emotionally healthy, interesting woman you really do need a career or vocation of some sort.

Even women younger than you, of a more serious, long term bent, recognize that at 30 one is grown up -living your potential. A 30 year old can change and grow of course, but if earning a living hasn't ever happened, it would be foolish for any of those to expect that will change. As people have noted, graduate school is usually still ok for some women since it shows a commitment to do what it takes to have a good future.

Nearing 30 most women want to think about having kids and most don't want to commit to a househusband. It's fine as a couple to decide to have a stay at home Dad, but most women want the freedom to decide together over time not have it already decided. And women who want kids usually want to feel that they can count on a man to pull through if, heaven forbid, a child had some serious health need, or she did and he had to support the family. A job where you don't make so much, but is a real career is also ok for some. (Like artist, craftsman, serious performing musician, frequently employed actor - all of these normally have some day job. Clergy person -some of may also need a supplemental job to support a family too, you get the point.)

I think that if you had a good job, making decent, even if not great income, and could say you moved in to live with your parents after being laid off and stayed while you saved up enough to buy a condo, it wouldn't be an immediate turn off. As others have noted, even without college degrees, people save up enough to support themselves, and you have a lot of pluses they way you put it.

Perhaps you might also consider counseling if you can find one you can afford and if you think you're getting in your own way.
This is what many of us have before stated to the OP....That it's not just that he is living with his parents right now for a short term, it's that he has never lived on his own before. At almost 30, this is going to be a huge deal breaker for many of the women that he wants to date.

As well as not being very serious about pursuing an actual career or at least holding down a steady, long term job while looking for a job in his career field.

We also suggested before that if it's a Master's degree that he needs...then why not be doing this the last years while he was only chipping in 33% with his past girlfriend and now with the parents...There won't be a better time to do this.

Find a job during the day and take courses at night....

A woman around his age that is intelligent and independent and has a career herself is now going to be starting to look for a man who has his life together. Who is steady and is moving towards looking to get married and have children and be able to help support this lifestyle.

So, the OP seems to think these are just "small" details that women should overlook....I would say that it may be much easier if he wants to date not as educated and much younger women who are just looking to date and have a fun time...

And...I've said it before...but I strongly suggest the OP go back and retake the personality questionnaire and answer the way the HE feels....not in the way he thinks women want to hear....
 
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as far as not living on my own... the last 12 years... 3 years living on campus in college, 3 years living with different groups of friends, 5.5 years living with just my girlfriend and I, and now .5 year living with my parents. So I'm not sure where "huge deal breaker" fits into this. If you take out the past half year, this is a similar set of living experiences to many of my friends (except their girlfriends turned into fiancees/wives).

Only one person has ever asked "do you live alone" amongst the early 5 ?s GC.
 
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Never having lived alone probably won't stop you from getting a first or second date. It'll hit you after that, when third or fourth dates fail to materialize.

I personally would be less bothered by the living alone thing than I would be by the fact that at nearly 30, you cannot support yourself and apparently never have done so in your adult life.

Where are you going to be in 15 years, PG-13? I know a man who has spent years looking for a woman to live off of. He moves from roommate to roommate, wherever the rent is cheaper, refusing to look for a job for years while he burned through savings in pursuit of his dream (but only when pursuing the dream didn't take too much time away from hanging out and having fun). By the time this Harvard grad figured out that he needed to rejoin the work force, it was too late: He's been out so long that he's unemployable. Meanwhile, he's pushing 50 and no woman will give him the time of day because he reeks of being a loser.

Is that what you want for your future? I'm asking because honest to god, that's the path you're on. So many people here are trying to help you avoid it.
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You are talking to a computer not a person. All this "theorizing" and semantics are pointless. Deal with the matching algorithms, not neither here nor there wish lists in your head.

Learn how that works..rather than box yourself in with one specific self-descriptor and two specific match preferences and wonder why you are getting ultra conservative Christians?.

Has it dawned on you that many people of your same religion may put "spiritual,not religious" simply because they don't run to church everyday?..And because they are smart enough to realize this and putting "any religion" and "not important" for matches gives them more matches to choose from?.

Learn how the matching algorithms work.....Good Luck..

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I have both spiritual but not religious AND Christian as settings for matches-

I have myself identified as Christian, non denominational
 
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as far as not living on my own... the last 12 years... 3 years living on campus in college, 3 years living with different groups of friends, 5.5 years living with just my girlfriend and I, and now .5 year living with my parents. So I'm not sure where "huge deal breaker" fits into this. If you take out the past half year, this is a similar set of living experiences to many of my friends (except their girlfriends turned into fiancees/wives).

Only one person has ever asked "do you live alone" amongst the early 5 ?s GC.
Perhaps there were too many words in what I wrote for the meaning to be clear. The big problem is not that you live with your parents, although that might be a symptom.

The big problem is that you are almost 30 and unable to support a family. Healthy women want a man who obviously has the character to do that.

You've never demonstrated that.

A better job, graduate school were two suggestions.

Perhaps you have other ideas?

Don't fixate on the living at home. The problem is the sentence AFTER you tell women you live at home - you have no good explanation, the only explanation is that you can't support yourself, let alone a child.

Believe me, men who can say "I'm living at home while I finish my internal medicine residency," don't have the same problem. Even saying "I'm living at home while I save up for a house," isn't a problem if you are in fact doing that.
 
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FairOne wrote :
Similar to what barbarella said, although I believe the OP does have a BA.
Most people don't dig the shirtless pics, but he will need to stand out in some type of way.
True that.
 
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Never having lived alone probably won't stop you from getting a first or second date. It'll hit you after that, when third or fourth dates fail to materialize.

I personally would be less bothered by the living alone thing than I would be by the fact that at nearly 30, you cannot support yourself and apparently never have done so in your adult life.

Where are you going to be in 15 years, PG-13? I know a man who has spent years looking for a woman to live off of. He moves from roommate to roommate, wherever the rent is cheaper, refusing to look for a job for years while he burned through savings in pursuit of his dream (but only when pursuing the dream didn't take too much time away from hanging out and having fun). By the time this Harvard grad figured out that he needed to rejoin the work force, it was too late: He's been out so long that he's unemployable. Meanwhile, he's pushing 50 and no woman will give him the time of day because he reeks of being a loser.

Is that what you want for your future? I'm asking because honest to god, that's the path you're on. So many people here are trying to help you avoid it.
The above bold was what I was referring to. That he hasn't had to figure out how to support himself fully at almost 30. And many would wonder if he's always lived with others, than how does that not equal MORE money saved and put away for his future instead of less...
 
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jov27 wrote :
The big problem is that you are almost 30 and unable to support a family. Healthy women want a man who obviously has the character to do that.
I would modify this somewhat, based on my experience dating the type of women the OP says he's looking for. I don't find that many liberal, educated, professional women are necessarily looking for a man who can "support a family," because they're generally capable of doing that themselves if need be. What they're really looking for is a man who can support himself, or perhaps, at most, do his equal share in supporting a family in the future. If you're not there quite yet, they at least want to see that you have a plan to get there.
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If you live with your parents at circa 30, I think that explains why you are having problems finding someone keen enough to get involved with you.

From my experience, even with a good job, living with my parents meant it was better to prioritise getting my own house over getting a g/f. Because girls weren't impressed with my living arrangements.
 
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