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meanminicooper is offline meanminicooper Post #1  January 26,2012, 7:07pm
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I came across a match who is recently reading a book that i just finished and loved so thought, what the heck, lets start OC here - what is the worst that can happen?

I got a notice back the next day that OC was denied and that I should start with GC, which I did. Over the course of the last week, I have had a profile visit about 5/7 days with no response to GC.

What is the dynamic as far as non-payers and decisions to accept OC?
 
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Non-members CAN'T accept OC; but they can't communicate at all unless it is a Free Communication Weekend.
 
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Some newer members are leary of going straight to open communication and prefer guided communication....why she wont communicate with you ...there are many many threads on this.
lets assume she is a paying member and can communicate with you.....

1. she is on the fence of communicating with you

2. she has interest in you but she is communicating with others.....she is farther along with them so she wants to see how they go before starting to communicate with you.

3. similar to above, she is at the point of having a real date lined up with someone so she freezes all communication attempts with anyone else.
 
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Once upon a time eHarmony displayed the communication preference on your profile. Very rarely did I ever encounter a match that preferred skipping GC and jumping directly to OC (e-mail). And only one match out of 3,500 has ever been adamant about skipping GC, actually she wanted to skip eHarmony all together and just go right to a phone call.

There are a number of "bad" things that can happen when you request to skip GC and jump right into e-mail.
1) Unless your match is like minded and wants to jump to e-mail you are likely to make them mad and / or lose interest.
2) If your match is a non-paying member they cannot communicate in any way, but they will still get your request to jump to e-mail. If they click "accept" they will then be told that they have to pay money in order to read your message or communicate with you. The odds that they are going to pay $60 just to read your message are pretty slim.
3) Many people do not know that when they click "accept" in the e-mail notification that you want to jump to e-mail that you have already sent them a message. So they never go and read your message and keep wondering why you would have requested jumping to e-mail but never sent anything. Pretty soon you have gone to the very top of the "jerk" list.
4) If they are a non-paying member but do participate in FCW, if they have clicked the "accept" whenever the next FCW happens they still won't be able to communicate with you because NPMs have to go through GC before being able to use e-mail.

This is a short list of reasons why skipping GC is shooting yourself in the foot but I am getting tired of typing. If using GC is too much of a chore for you then I would recommend that you give Match a try.

If you are too impatient to spend at most 3 days going through the stages of GC then you are too impatient for me and probably most of your matches. If you and your match cannot get through one stage a day or can't / won't respond to a communication within a day that says a lot about level of interest being low.

Lastly, determining to contact a match because of a book they read is, to me, the weakest reason to believe there would be any sort of compatibility.
 
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Gr8Guyn2008 wrote :
2) If your match is a non-paying member they cannot communicate in any way, but they will still get your request to jump to e-mail. If they click "accept" they will then be told that they have to pay money in order to read your message or communicate with you. The odds that they are going to pay $60 just to read your message are pretty slim.
3) Many people do not know that when they click "accept" in the e-mail notification that you want to jump to e-mail that you have already sent them a message. So they never go and read your message and keep wondering why you would have requested jumping to e-mail but never sent anything. Pretty soon you have gone to the very top of the "jerk" list.
2. Isn't this a business model issue? Shouldn't eHarmony marketing team make it sound more enticing for free members to upgrade to premium?

3. Isn't this a site design/process flow discrepancy? Logically, once the user accepts the OC, then it should automatically open the message.

Ideally, I'd like an official eHarmony representative to chime in on this, but I'm relatively new here and I don't know if they ever read this stuff.

I do wonder... What do non-paying members see when I send them a GC? Do they get an email notification or some kind of other message besides the indication on the matches page? Also what does it show or say? I've never gotten a request since I'm always the initiator lol.
 
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Gr8Guyn2008 wrote :
2) If your match is a non-paying member they cannot communicate in any way, but they will still get your request to jump to e-mail. If they click "accept" they will then be told that they have to pay money in order to read your message or communicate with you. The odds that they are going to pay $60 just to read your message are pretty slim.
In my experience, most women who were non-subscribers who I sent a message to ended up subscribing--having a great-sounding guy who was eager to talk to them helped push them over the edge, since one of the key questions most have is "will this really work?"
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Gr8Guyn2008 wrote :
Once upon a time eHarmony displayed the communication preference on your profile. Very rarely did I ever encounter a match that preferred skipping GC and jumping directly to OC (e-mail). And only one match out of 3,500 has ever been adamant about skipping GC, actually she wanted to skip eHarmony all together and just go right to a phone call.

There are a number of "bad" things that can happen when you request to skip GC and jump right into e-mail.
1) Unless your match is like minded and wants to jump to e-mail you are likely to make them mad and / or lose interest.
2) If your match is a non-paying member they cannot communicate in any way, but they will still get your request to jump to e-mail. If they click "accept" they will then be told that they have to pay money in order to read your message or communicate with you. The odds that they are going to pay $60 just to read your message are pretty slim.
3) Many people do not know that when they click "accept" in the e-mail notification that you want to jump to e-mail that you have already sent them a message. So they never go and read your message and keep wondering why you would have requested jumping to e-mail but never sent anything. Pretty soon you have gone to the very top of the "jerk" list.
4) If they are a non-paying member but do participate in FCW, if they have clicked the "accept" whenever the next FCW happens they still won't be able to communicate with you because NPMs have to go through GC before being able to use e-mail.

This is a short list of reasons why skipping GC is shooting yourself in the foot but I am getting tired of typing. If using GC is too much of a chore for you then I would recommend that you give Match a try.

If you are too impatient to spend at most 3 days going through the stages of GC then you are too impatient for me and probably most of your matches. If you and your match cannot get through one stage a day or can't / won't respond to a communication within a day that says a lot about level of interest being low.

Lastly, determining to contact a match because of a book they read is, to me, the weakest reason to believe there would be any sort of compatibility.
Actually the only "bad" thing that can happen is the match turns you down and moves onto someone else and declines communication, which since 90% of matches cant communicate because they dont pay anyway, then this isn't some big risk scenario.

Using GC is not a "chore" Though I've only subscribed for about 3 weeks and have gotten about 90-matches in that time, I've initiated GC with 40 or so and have requested OC with ONE of them. This particular match had other things which I liked as well.

You made an incredibly broad determination about who I am and how I use EH based on ONE instance. I was more curious about the technical aspects of an non-paying account and what they are able to do when it comes to communication. I didn't ask for a lecture. Thanks for those who responded with useful information.
 
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What do non-paying members see when I send them a GC?



Xxxxxxx from Yyyyyyy, California, United States has requested communication.
Dear Zzzzzzz,
Congratulations! Xxxxxxx from Yyyyyyy, California, United States has reviewed your basic information and would like to start the process of getting to know you better.
 
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mhawkins258 wrote :
2. Isn't this a business model issue? Shouldn't eHarmony marketing team make it sound more enticing for free members to upgrade to premium?

3. Isn't this a site design/process flow discrepancy? Logically, once the user accepts the OC, then it should automatically open the message.


No this is a business model....you want to meet her then both of you pay...unless we offer a free communication weekend..

Ideally, I'd like an official eHarmony representative to chime in on this, but I'm relatively new here and I don't know if they ever read this stuff.

this site is run by eharmony staff....some of the moderators such as Lori and Gabriel are official employees. members on the advice site and members on the dating site do not mix. Many members on this board have used eharmony at some time--even if it was a free weekend.....but arent current paying members. If they havent invested in eharmony, they have used online dating before.

If you have problems you can email Lori or others and then they can pass on your complaint to the other side.


I do wonder... What do non-paying members see when I send them a GC? Do they get an email notification or some kind of other message besides the indication on the matches page? Also what does it show or say? I've never gotten a request since I'm always the initiator lol.
A paying and non-paying member is notified if you request communication..either GC or OC...to their affiliated email address. they also receive notification when any communication steps have been made gy them or they send you an open ommunication email.
 
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Thanks for the input shapeshifter79 and ami1uwant.

It is good to know that the GC/OC requests go to the non paying members registered email.
At the same time, it makes me wonder why I haven't gotten any reply lol. Oh well, back to learning, tweaking and optimizing my profile everyday...
 
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