mowracer is offline mowracer Post #71  February 9,2012, 8:50pm
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When women are non-responsive after the initial interest, it could very well be that the girl wants to be pursued and you missed the signal or didn't get a clear signal and so you are trying to give her time to feel comfortable, and in doing so, you lose her because you took too long to ask her out. Men do this all the time, it is very frustrating for us gals. We want the guy who has the confidence to ask us out, and who gets that the traditional values where dating are concerned still stand.

Fewer and fewer men know how to just ask us out already. Some do it too soon, before any interaction, some wait and wait~and then the momentum and intrigue are lost. No matter what, the girl just likes the boy to ask her out and pursue her; it's romantic and exciting and it makes us feel desirable. We see it this way~you already know I'm interested in you, or there would have been no communication at all, and after a couple of emails go back and forth, what's the delay?! Are you gonna ask me out or not?

Also, safety is an issue for women. It actually isn't safe for women to stay on email for too long, and smart women know this. Too much information can be revealed too soon, and innocently, before meeting someone and getting a sense of who he is, but it is a fine line.

You can always ask how soon she likes to meet once she know she is interested...or tell her you like to meet after a couple of emails. Then we know when it's coming...but if you never ask us out and then keep trying to learn things about us, its a red flag and a little creepy and we move on to someone else because we start to think it will never work because you just don't get it. It gets down to courageous timing...the rest is chemistry and action. One final thought, remember, it is a dating website~so dates are what we are expecting and waiting for.
You made some really good points "Relationship Coach"
 
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Erin42 is offline Erin42 Post #72  March 18,2012, 3:57am
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"So why is it that so many women who want that, suck at it?"

One of the reasons that you are getting frustrated with the answers you are getting is that you aren't asking the right question. The above quote only expresses your anger and frustration toward women (who, BTW, experience the same problem with men). What I think you want to ask is: "what can I do to change this reaction to my e-mails?" This truly asks for advice instead of just venting. If you aren't getting the response you want, maybe you should look at how you came across (language, tone, etc.) The other thing is, be open with the person you are communicating with. If she isn't asking questions and advancing the conversation - point this out. Actually help her to be a better communicator by teaching her, instead of just lambasting her. She may not even realize what she is doing wrong!
 
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Ah yes! Rather than asking someone out on a dating site, focus instead on lecturing them about what they are doing incorrectly, how they ought to interact with you, and what they ought to do differently. That will certainly get results! After all, isn't that why we joined a dating site? Free, unsolicited, pompous lectures on our "bad behavior" as determined by some random match, and an education on how we should do better from complete strangers. Who really wants to date anyway? How pedestrian when you can waste weeks, months even, being educated on the finer points of emailing long, pointless missives back and forth.

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I just noticed you're new. Welcome!! When I first started, I valued email exchanges, and insisted on these with all my matches. I quickly learned they had close to zero utility in the dating process. A phone call to screen and then a date, once we completed Guided Communication, were much more effective in identifying guys who were great matches. Good luck with your dating adventures.
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Pat Leonard wrote :
I have found repeatedly that once the eHarmony email stage is reached, that some ladies can't seem to carry on a conversation there. I'll write, ask some additional questions, I usually like to answer the same ones for her, and look for another topic to try to interest her.
There are several ways to look at this. On one hand you may simply be experiencing women that just aren't interested and on the other hand you may be asking the same questions that every match that has communicated with her has before.

Also I would be careful about answering questions for her, if you are answering questions without her asking then you are having a conversation with yourself. I only ask questions and reply to questions asked, I never assume that a potential partner wants to know the same things about me that I do about them early on. Plus by not volunteering any information you will spark curiosity.

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I've repeatedly seen emails back that
1) answer the questions I asked in short form
2) have a superficial comment about whatever other item I threw in,
and
3) ASK NOTHING
Are you reading her profile carefully? Are you asking generic questions or custom questions tailored to her? I find one consistent theme in a profile and ask questions tailored to that. If she is religious I would ask a series of questions about that and only that for example. Think of it like how you would have a conversation. Pick a topic and allow her to put her insight into it. If she doesn't show interest when you are hitting a hot topic for her, then you can move on knowing she just wasn't the match you were looking for.

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worse, there is no mention of another communication .

Is it me? or do people just not realize anymore that a conversation is a two way street?

Women especially, I think, based on how often I see it in the "what I am looking for" want someone who is a good listener/communicator/conversationalist. (and many things spring from that)

So why is it that so many women who want that, suck at it?
If you know exactly what type of person you are looking for you are lying to yourself. The point of finding a partner is not finding what you are looking for, but finding what you never knew you really needed.

There are a million things that go through a persons head when put on the spot about things like this. You can take it one of two ways, either the person is shallow and indecisive or she honestly doesn't know what she wants and puts generic things in place.

Not everyone uses an online dating site with a full committed mentality that it will work. It is how you approach her that will change her mind.

When you are using a method of communicating that is predominantly text based you have to look at yourself and evaluate how you are presenting yourself to the other person. Text is cold and unfeeling, it is very easy to be detached. I recommend approaching a woman in a way that makes her comfortable about talking to you and I would even consider a follow up with no confrontation if you don't get the results you want.

Remember that is a real person on the other side and if you really think you could be a good match it starts the moment you first communicate. If your impatient and not willing to allow the person to warm up to you, you already are making yourself not a match for anyone.
 
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Gr8Guyn2008 wrote :
I agree with you that it is better to meet sooner than later. However, there needs to be some preliminary communication to determine if you even want to take the step of meeting. Even if the method of introduction is IRL you still have a certain amount of "conversation" prior to popping the question of "would you like to go out". I have somewhat recently had a match that did exactly what the OP described. No matter what questions I asked, I could get nothing more than one word answers (and my questions were not one word answer type questions). Nor could I elicit any questions from her. Had she been SO interested in skipping the initial communications and jumping directly to meeting in person she could have done so. She did not.

The only conclusion I could possibly draw from her behavior was that she was not interested in me at all.
YES! Thank you, Gr8Guyn2008! As you note, even with women I meet in person, I don't just blurt out "hey, ya wanna go out???" in the first five minutes. There has to be something there. We'll frequently spend some time "talking", which includes talking in person, emailing, or talking on the phone before a first date. Does this turn some women off? Maybe. But if we really connect, it shouldn't be a problem. This method has saved me a LOT of hassle over the years, from not wasting time and money on someone who just wanted free dinner to avoiding total nutjobs who didn't want to talk much because they had learned that it would expose their general....well....nuttiness.

I have a lot of matches that live some distance from me. I have no problem with driving to meet someone. But, especially in these cases, I have to have an indication that there is something there before I drive to another city or state. One word answers and no effort to ask any questions shows me they are not really interested. Hasta la vista, baby.

If someone is dead set on an immediate meeting, they can be honest and say so. If not, that's a red flag. But even so, I expect to have a conversation or two beforehand. I don't this is unreasonable.
 
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Pat Leonard wrote :
I guess I should have titled this thread THE LOST OF READING A POST.

I'm talking about AFTER THE FIRST EMAIL. not later in the conversation, buy the second or third email I usually volunteer information rather than ask for theirs so they feel comfortable.
I totally agree with you. I have had the EXACT same complaint. I've been on and off online dating since 1997 and there isn't much conversing going on as "back in the day"...not even a proper introduction and some "social grease" to get the mood just right. It might partially be because the art of conversation is lost, but also because some people want to move fast - too fast in my opinion. However, remember, we all have to run through the gauntlet of questions on this site, whereas on other dating sites you go right to e-mail at the beginning. So, I can see how people on EH would want to move faster...I know I do on this site compared to the others.

Corresponding a bit back and forth will give you more info, a "flavor" of the person, and of their communication style. And since EH has very little raw data on the person (e.g., kids ages, child custody arrangements), I find asking some critical questions in e-mail first very helpful. If the person doesn't want to answer, then I move on.

You wouldn't meet someone in person and just immediately ask them on a date. You would first flirt, introduce yourself, and share about yourself...take a bit of time to get to know them and if you want to go further. Why would you not do the same thing online? Not much difference to me.
 
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