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I have a rather tricky problem. As near as I can tell, eHarmony's matching system seems to interpret an indication of a particular religious denominational preference or preferences as indicative of a strongly religious character. There are religions and denominations that for philosophical and other reasons I do not want to date, but I do not consider myself to be a strongly devout Christian, and am not looking for that type of woman. And yet that is what I keep getting: women whose lives are built almost entirely (or entirely) around their churches.

Anybody have any thoughts on workarounds on this, or having similar problems with other aspects? I have tried mailing Customer Care on this, but so far have heard nothing.
 
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You could set your religious preference to "no preference". Then you will get all types, and you could close out the ones that don't appeal to you. Cast a wider net!
 
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Sassafras has one solution. However there was a recent thread (which I don't remember the one) on this and it was mentioned that eHarmony customer support can make some adjustments in this area. You may want to call and talk to them. Their number is 1-800-951-2023.

Just noticed a note on the help page that says that support will be unavailable beginning at 1 AM PT November 2nd but will be available later in the day.
 
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Hi all,

This is a good thread to give a little nugget I got from EH support awhile ago.

I, like the OP, also list a specific Religion that I consider myself, but am not particularly Religious, and am not looking for a Match that is.

My raw Profile, for whatever reason, tends to get matched with very religious Matches.

For awhile, I thought it would be a good idea for me to have a little section in my "More Info I would like my Match to know", that would explain my position:

"I consider myself Baptist, but am very wide open to all Religions, or lack of Religion"

so that the very religious matches would understand that I would probably NOT be a good Match for them.

However, this was a HUGE mistake, because the explanation had the text "religion" a couple times.

The nugget I got from EH support, was that EH matches DOES do some parsing of the text in your Profile to do Matching!!!

This is something that surprised me, as my belief was always that ONLY the Questionnaire (ie, 29 dimensions), and our Preferences were the only things that were considered when EH searched for Matches.

Thus, if you mention religion a number of times in your Profile, EH's matching system will move your into a more Religious "bucket".

So EH support's recommendation to me was:
1) Remove that extra explaination from my Profile.
2) They would change some internal settings (ie, things we can't change), so that I would get Matched with less religious Matches.

This has worked for me.

So to the OP, I recommend the same thing. Call EH support, get them to change your internal settings, and then make SURE you do not have extraneous mentions of God, Religion, Bible, etc, etc.

For everyone else, this nugget is an interesting thing.

Do they only scan our Profile text for "Religion" type Matching?
Or can we tailor it for other things we might find valuable in a Match?

Like for Vegans, if they were to say Vegan all the time in their Profile, would they get more Vegan matches that they otherwise might?

Would it work for Weight, Height, or other things that everyone complains about all the time?
 
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For what it's worth -

My profile currently does (and has in the past, on and off) mentioned that I am Catholic in various ways. Never more than once in the entire profile, and I do not use any other religious words or phrases. I have my religion preferences set to moderately important, and I have many denominations checked.

I have never noticed any change in the number of Catholic matches I get (almost none). I do not get many "very religious" matches, and in fact I get a lot of "spiritual but not religious" which I'd rather not be seeing.
 
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I have a rather tricky problem. As near as I can tell, eHarmony's matching system seems to interpret an indication of a particular religious denominational preference or preferences as indicative of a strongly religious character. There are religions and denominations that for philosophical and other reasons I do not want to date, but I do not consider myself to be a strongly devout Christian, and am not looking for that type of woman. And yet that is what I keep getting: women whose lives are built almost entirely (or entirely) around their churches.

Anybody have any thoughts on workarounds on this, or having similar problems with other aspects? I have tried mailing Customer Care on this, but so far have heard nothing.
If you grew up in a certain denomination, but do not attend its churches nor strongly identify with it now in adulthood, you may want to reconsider whether you still really identify yourself in that way. "Spiritual but not religious" may be a better description for you now.

Also, on your settings on your profile you can actually choose from a list of most (not ALL are listed) denominations, and select only those whose beliefs would be acceptable to you.

And... add one sentence to your profile about your beliefs... that should help both you and your matches weed each other out.
 
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melman wrote :
For what it's worth -

My profile currently does (and has in the past, on and off) mentioned that I am Catholic in various ways. Never more than once in the entire profile, and I do not use any other religious words or phrases. I have my religion preferences set to moderately important, and I have many denominations checked.

I have never noticed any change in the number of Catholic matches I get (almost none). I do not get many "very religious" matches, and in fact I get a lot of "spiritual but not religious" which I'd rather not be seeing.
I am NOT Catholic yet almost all my matches are Catholic. Most times that is not a problem as I have only had one match that gave any hint that my not being Catholic would be a problem.
 
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ScottK wrote :
Hi all,

This is a good thread to give a little nugget I got from EH support awhile ago.

I, like the OP, also list a specific Religion that I consider myself, but am not particularly Religious, and am not looking for a Match that is.

My raw Profile, for whatever reason, tends to get matched with very religious Matches.

For awhile, I thought it would be a good idea for me to have a little section in my "More Info I would like my Match to know", that would explain my position:

"I consider myself Baptist, but am very wide open to all Religions, or lack of Religion"

so that the very religious matches would understand that I would probably NOT be a good Match for them.

However, this was a HUGE mistake, because the explanation had the text "religion" a couple times.

The nugget I got from EH support, was that EH matches DOES do some parsing of the text in your Profile to do Matching!!!

This is something that surprised me, as my belief was always that ONLY the Questionnaire (ie, 29 dimensions), and our Preferences were the only things that were considered when EH searched for Matches.

Thus, if you mention religion a number of times in your Profile, EH's matching system will move your into a more Religious "bucket".

So EH support's recommendation to me was:
1) Remove that extra explaination from my Profile.
2) They would change some internal settings (ie, things we can't change), so that I would get Matched with less religious Matches.

This has worked for me.

So to the OP, I recommend the same thing. Call EH support, get them to change your internal settings, and then make SURE you do not have extraneous mentions of God, Religion, Bible, etc, etc.

For everyone else, this nugget is an interesting thing.

Do they only scan our Profile text for "Religion" type Matching?
Or can we tailor it for other things we might find valuable in a Match?

Like for Vegans, if they were to say Vegan all the time in their Profile, would they get more Vegan matches that they otherwise might?

Would it work for Weight, Height, or other things that everyone complains about all the time?
Very good information on how the system works.

And some very good questions you have posed at the end.
 
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Hmm...many interesting thoughts here, thanks.

ScottK...I looked over my About Me, and found a single reference to "[t]he family and friends that God has given me" and an unflattering brief reference to the "religious Right," so I don't think it's that, though your comments about scanning certainly have some potentially very interesting implications.

Wonderwoman402...my parents switched denominations when I was a kid, and while I do consider myself Christian enough to check that, I have kept myself intentionally non-denominational Protestant. For the checklist, I chose that and about eight other Protestant denominations that I felt comfortable enough with. I rated her being Christian as a "6" in importance; denomination got a "4." I really would prefer someone at least as religious as I am (maybe a little bit moreso), and am considering your suggestion about adding a line about my beliefs....

Sassafras54...that's an interesting idea, though at this point I am not ready to widen the net quite that far. Will give it some thought, though.

Melman (Larry "Bud"?)...except for particular denomination, your settings seem to parallel mine pretty closely, so it is interesting that our results are so different....

Gr8Guyn2008...the one thing that has kept me from calling is that I do not (or at least, not yet) want them to have my number. (For those unaware, calling 800 (877, etc.) numbers allows them to get your number...even if you have number block.) I may try e-mailing them, though....
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Gr8Guyn2008...the one thing that has kept me from calling is that I do not (or at least, not yet) want them to have my number. (For those unaware, calling 800 (877, etc.) numbers allows them to get your number...even if you have number block.) I may try e-mailing them, though....
Just in case you care...
EH has had my Phone number for a long long time, and they have NEVER EVER called it.

Their "unsolicited messages" seems to stop at sending emails to us. It has never crossed over to the phone.
 
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