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Erudur is offline Erudur Post #1  April 23,2008, 9:38am
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I'm still in my first week on eH, and for me, the jury is still out. I either closed or had closed about 84 for about 5 I find interesting.



One thing I've noticed, its harder to get a first hand impression of personality from the eH profile. I am an "N" in the Myers-Briggs, that is, I am an abstract thinker and communicator. I can't imagine forming a deep connection with an "S" as all my closest friends have been "N's." While the other main sites may not have the 29 degrees, I could usually identify this abstract communication trait in a person's introduction. Not so on eH. I am also suspicious that this abstract versus concrete characteristic is not one of eH's 29 dimensions of compatibility.

Anybody have specific feelings about whether eH does a better job of matching people up than the others?
 
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on the other sites, I don't feel like I'm "matched" up at all. The points of comparison seem so superficial to me that I find it very frustrating. I like camping, reading, eating thai food, I live in this zip code and I'm 5'9. These are points of "compatibility" with matches on some of those sites. This says nothing about the person I am, or they are. Thus I am left only with their paragraph, which definitely can be revealing, but flipping through dozens or hundreds of profiles reading the paragraphs is as hit and miss as meeting people in a social setting. (I try that too... I go to events, meet new people, etc.)

The flexibility of a site like match or yahoo offers one benefit, as you mention. eH offers other benefits. I really believe the 29 dimensions give a different starting point for communication. Neither is perfect.

Incidentally, I too am an N (ENFP) but it never occurred to me that you can identify someones MBT through their profile. Seeing discussions on this board makes me wonder... maybe you should start an MBT thread!And it is possible for us N's to have good relationships (friendship or otherwise) with S's. It just takes some work.

Best of luck on eH or wherever you end up!
 
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From an ENTP... I've asked the question in the Using eHarmony board about why most people do not share their personality profile. I also wanted to know why eHarmony will not tell us what dimensions they used to match us... which were complimentary and where there may beissues. No answers from anyone representing eH. Valuable information lost...



I'm not too concerned about payingmy membership dues and seeing what comes my way... heck, I waste more paying for cable television that I don't watch... so chalk it up to entertainment expense.
 
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Erudur, wrote :



I'm still in my first week on eH, and for me, the jury is still out. I either closed or had closed about 84 for about 5 I find interesting.



One thing I've noticed, its harder to get a first hand impression of personality from the eH profile. I am an "N" in the Myers-Briggs, that is, I am an abstract thinker and communicator. I can't imagine forming a deep connection with an "S" as all my closest friends have been "N's." While the other main sites may not have the 29 degrees, I could usually identify this abstract communication trait in a person's introduction. Not so on eH. I am also suspicious that this abstract versus concrete characteristic is not one of eH's 29 dimensions of compatibility.

Anybody have specific feelings about whether eH does a better job of matching people up than the others?
I totally get you on the abstract thinking. I find myself struggling with personality questionnaires and never feel I can answer them the way I really want to. Honestly, I have to disagree with the idea that eHarmony is really matching me on a deeper level. Also, things like what types of activities, music, and books someone reads do tell a lot about a person's personality IMHO. I almost prefer to make those decisions for myself, not have some sort of esoteric survey and computer algorithm do that for me.



I decided to join eHarmony more to meet people who were serious, since it is quite an investment, and figured people who joined would have respect and be serious about meeting someone and starting a relationship. This is hard to do anymore in "real" life, sadly, and the bars weren't cutting it. However, to be honest, I have had just as good of luck by sifting through craigslist ads (gasp!! I know some people have blacklisted it), but the advantage there is that I can look when I have the time and quickly get to know the person. Plus, it is easy to sift through those who aren't serious because THEY TELL YOU!!! People on craiglist aren't afraid to state that they want someone for casual sex, they will blatantly, and so you can just ignore those ads. The whole eharmony process takes so long and feels really unnatural at times. In fact sometimes it makes me feel odd because I am sharing a "piece" of myself with multiple people, but when it takes up to 2-weeks to actually get to open communication you have no choice but to have a couple on the line. Then again, this is FOR ME, other people may feel more comfortable with eHarmony and if you live in a rural area or small town it may be your only outlet. I guess the other problem I have with eharmony is that they match me to very few people who actually live in my city, and I live in a fairly large city. That is weird to me.



Anyway, I hear your frustrations loud and clear. I have gotten a few matches that were right on, but very few, statistically speaking, shouldn't this happen anyway no matter how I am meeting people?
 
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Keirsey (Please Understand Me) indicates that the N-S breakdown is about 20%-80%. I think most systems out there cater to the 80% and think they have it figured out. I am pretty sure the eH uses concrete characteristics to match people up. And while those characteristics are probably useful for basic level compatiblity, I am guessing they are much more important to S's than N's (I am an INTJ btw). Since strong N's place a higher value on the world of concepts and ideas, the concrete dimensions of compatibilty just aren't going to matter as much.

I do know some happy couples who are N-S mixes, but the N's in those relationships are not really extremely N and are more often women (who seem to be more adaptable in relationships than men). I have had relationships with S's before (my pre-MBT days). In retrospect I realize that this was why they didn't get me, and this made it difficult to connect on a soul level.

Birth order charateristics are interesting too (birthorderplus - Cliff Isaacson). The guy referenced has a take that there are 5 birth order types - only, first, second, third, fourth, and starting again with only. Of course he neglects the N-S variation as well.

I also found some really interesting commentary based on a list of seven in the Bible book of Romans, ch. 12. - prophet, servant, teacher, encourager, giver, leader, mercy. These are less useful for a specific matchup, but are much more useful in understanding people different than yourself.

I always thought it would be really interesting to have a reality dating show where you had a panel of different experts on these personality models give a preview before the date, a summary of the date like the old late night dating shows, and then a follow up on how the different personalities impacted the success/failure/interaction of the date.

I think my short run on eH will be chalked up to entertainment, but I am not really convinced that that are doing a great job of finding my soulmate out there.

I might take you up on the MBT thread - any suggestions on which subcatagory and a title?
 
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Erudur,88177 wrote :

Keirsey (Please Understand Me) indicates that the N-S breakdown is about 20%-80%. I think most systems out there cater to the 80% and think they have it figured out. I am pretty sure the eH uses concrete characteristics to match people up. And while those characteristics are probably useful for basic level compatiblity, I am guessing they are much more important to S's than N's (I am an INTJ btw). Since strong N's place a higher value on the world of concepts and ideas, the concrete dimensions of compatibilty just aren't going to matter as much.

I do know some happy couples who are N-S mixes, but the N's in those relationships are not really extremely N and are more often women (who seem to be more adaptable in relationships than men). I have had relationships with S's before (my pre-MBT days). In retrospect I realize that this was why they didn't get me, and this made it difficult to connect on a soul level.

Birth order charateristics are interesting too (birthorderplus - Cliff Isaacson). The guy referenced has a take that there are 5 birth order types - only, first, second, third, fourth, and starting again with only. Of course he neglects the N-S variation as well.

I also found some really interesting commentary based on a list of seven in the Bible book of Romans, ch. 12. - prophet, servant, teacher, encourager, giver, leader, mercy. These are less useful for a specific matchup, but are much more useful in understanding people different than yourself.

I always thought it would be really interesting to have a reality dating show where you had a panel of different experts on these personality models give a preview before the date, a summary of the date like the old late night dating shows, and then a follow up on how the different personalities impacted the success/failure/interaction of the date.

I think my short run on eH will be chalked up to entertainment, but I am not really convinced that that are doing a great job of finding my soulmate out there.

I might take you up on the MBT thread - any suggestions on which subcatagory and a title?
In terms of abstract thinking, I'm pretty much out there too, so I know how you feel. I used to strongly prefer women capable of the same type of thinking I was, but after a while I realized all I really needed was for a woman to be intrigued by my ideas and to respect me for them. Being able to think at the same level really just isn't that necessary.

I think what does play a factor in matching on eh is the person's level of curiousity and agreeableness in the personality profile. Based on all of the women's profiles I've viewed, they have all had a level of curiousity and agreeableness towards others. This is a must for me because anyone who has no curiousity would certainly get very annoyed with me, and vice versa.
 
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Well, I'm an SIWK (Single Income With Kids), and I've been on three different dating sites on and off (now off) for around four years, including eHarmony. My take is that they all eventually come down the same path, though perhaps theyget their via different routes. On each one, I've communicated with women I considered not compatible with me at all, have talked to some who ended communication abruptly, have talked to others at length but never met for one reason or another, and have met some in person. The only one I ever dated at any length came from another site. Eventually, I determined that internet dating didn't suit me well, and I don't intend to do it again. But as the saying goes, never say never. In short, I think all dating sites will give you similar results.
 
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Erudur,88177 wrote :

Keirsey (Please Understand Me) indicates that the N-S breakdown is about 20%-80%. I think most systems out there cater to the 80% and think they have it figured out. I am pretty sure the eH uses concrete characteristics to match people up. And while those characteristics are probably useful for basic level compatiblity, I am guessing they are much more important to S's than N's (I am an INTJ btw). Since strong N's place a higher value on the world of concepts and ideas, the concrete dimensions of compatibilty just aren't going to matter as much.

I do know some happy couples who are N-S mixes, but the N's in those relationships are not really extremely N and are more often women (who seem to be more adaptable in relationships than men). I have had relationships with S's before (my pre-MBT days). In retrospect I realize that this was why they didn't get me, and this made it difficult to connect on a soul level.

Birth order charateristics are interesting too (birthorderplus - Cliff Isaacson). The guy referenced has a take that there are 5 birth order types - only, first, second, third, fourth, and starting again with only. Of course he neglects the N-S variation as well.

I also found some really interesting commentary based on a list of seven in the Bible book of Romans, ch. 12. - prophet, servant, teacher, encourager, giver, leader, mercy. These are less useful for a specific matchup, but are much more useful in understanding people different than yourself.

I always thought it would be really interesting to have a reality dating show where you had a panel of different experts on these personality models give a preview before the date, a summary of the date like the old late night dating shows, and then a follow up on how the different personalities impacted the success/failure/interaction of the date.

I think my short run on eH will be chalked up to entertainment, but I am not really convinced that that are doing a great job of finding my soulmate out there.

I might take you up on the MBT thread - any suggestions on which subcatagory and a title?
I'm an INTP, last I knew. I think itmight be interesting to start a new thread based on MBT.

I once had to supervise a woman who was the polar oppposite of me on the MBT, which taught me, among other things, that J's and I are probably not a good match, but maybe it was the combination of all four traits clashing that made life hard for us. Of course, I promise you, it was a lot harder on her than me. I was the boss, after all! Anyway, as for dating, I find myself trying to evaluate based on very little information, and what there is is canned, which I don't like. I'd rather eHarmony give people more substantive information. Without it, I've come not to trust the eHarmony process, but to question it. What 29 traits? Are we really being matched according to them? How can we tell?
 
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Personally, this profile matching doesn't do much for me. Just seems somewhat pointless at times to wait for days (usually weeks) for a match to choose to respond or pick their way through the next series of questions, when a simple e-mail could get the ball rolling faster.

I've been closed by many matches with whom I thought we shared many commonalities. Course, in my case, distance is becoming a major problem...but that's another story.
 
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I've only been on here for a little over a week and thus far I can't say I'm wildly impressed. None of the matches I've gotten I've struck me as being particularly well-matched and I've had no responses to my requests for communication so far. Most people don't even seem to bother looking at my profile.

I'll be sticking around since I'm paid up for the year... mostly to pay into the idea of "getting out there" as a concept... but I wonder if my odds would've been better had I put the same amount into lottery tickets.
 
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