Do men understand that women may not be comfortable meeting right off the bat?


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redevil999 is offline redevil999 Post #21  January 12,2009, 8:47pm
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There are some really great comments here and I appreciate everyone's input. I did want to clarify a couple of things.
First I want to apologize. I didn't mean to say that I think the guys at EH are psychopaths. I've been amazed at the matches I've been given and am really hopeful that I'll meet someone special.
Second, I don't want to be a permanent pen pal or even a LTPP. The guided communication to open communication was one day. Two to three weeks of emails and phone calls was more what I was thinking, not too lengthy, but definitely not one day.
Third, I think because a couple of guys through the Internet were pushing to meet immediately, I did get the impression that was the norm. I shouldn't have judged everyone by such a small sample.
I do think a lot of the people here are guilty of the same thing. Assuming if a person doesn't want to give up a picture immediately that they've got something to hide. It would be one thing if I had asked for a pic and then wouldn't give mine. There are a couple of reasons besides safety that I didn't want to display my pic.
I'm gorgeous and I don't want the attention of guys who just want to have a good looking woman on their arm and aren't so concerned about substance...Okay, so maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit “not bad” is probably closer to the truth.
I was also thinking that I wanted to test out the theory that I could be guilty of being swayed by looks and so I thought I would (figuratively) close my eyes and let my mind take the lead in this process. Just something I wanted to try.
Finally, I don't want to throw Mr. Right-off-the-bat under the bus. He may be just showing that he's interested and after the comment regarding me waiting five days to send an email...it's possible he may be thinking that I'm not that serious and doesn't want to put a lot of effort into it.
That brings up another question. I did send him a card the first day of OC that had my email...Why was it up to me to send the first email?
ScottK and BlueCondor...I would meet you for coffee anytime. Blue, you made my heart go thump thump.
 
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All very reasonable assessments, redevil999. You have given me some food for thought here as well.

Also, as for sending the first e-mail, it's based on who started communication, I think.
 
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Redevil:


Thanks for the follow-up.


I see 2-3 weeks as being a perfectly fine length of time for communication before meeting. Just make sure the communication is constant.


Also, I'm sticking to my arguments (mine weren't in the "something to hide" category) on photos. I think the superficiality idea is limited somewhat since you had to spend a good solid hour or so filling out that personality profile, so you're getting these matches based on concepts other than looks.


And like I said before, if I can put my mug out there, anybody can.
 
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I do think a lot of the people here are guilty of the same thing. Assuming if a person doesn't want to give up a picture immediately that they've got something to hide. It would be one thing if I had asked for a pic and then wouldn't give mine. There are a couple of reasons besides safety that I didn't want to display my pic.
I'm gorgeous and I don't want the attention of guys who just want to have a good looking woman on their arm and aren't so concerned about substance...Okay, so maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit “not bad” is probably closer to the truth.
Actually, I knew a gal who tried EH and did not put up her profile picture. She, too, is absolutely drop-dead gorgeous. She just wanted a man to get to know her for herself first, which I understand. Although it did not help her connect with her EH matches.

In the real world, however, it's our face that first greets a person, not our personality (unfortunately).
 
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I too can see the arguments for not posting a photo upfront. But that's not going to change your chances of success, b/c people on the other end don't know why you're not posting the photos upfront.


What I would do is put somewhere in your profile introduction why you're withholding photos. Reasonable people can judge for themselves what they want to do. But generally, if I post a photo, it's only fair that she do the same. After all, if I didn't post my own photo, the photoless woman may not have even contacted me.
 
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gr8guy is offline gr8guy Post #26  January 13,2009, 2:00pm
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redevil999, wrote :

Turn on the news in any city and you'll hear horror stories about some very scary things happening to women. Inevitably if it's mentioned that the woman met the man online, you get the sense that many are thinking "when will they learn to be more careful?"


This is my first foray into online dating and I participated in the free communication this lastweekend. I had a lot of matches and was in communication with approximately 7 people. I put in my profile that I would only be available for "communication" through the weekend at this time. I made it to open communication with one man who promptly sent me an email with his offsite email and phone number saying he was looking forward to meeting me. I sent him an e-card on Monday saying I was looking forward to getting to know him better.


I was very busy this week and wanted to put some thought into my first email, so I didn't send it out until Saturday. I showed some interest for some things in his profile and shared a little about myself in those same areas. It was about 10 sentences long and just enough to start a conversation without being too long-winded (believe me, much shorter than this post!). The subject line was "Getting to know you...". I finished with "So,tell me a little about yourself.....I get an email back this morning... 1 sentence, very brief reference to one of the things I had asked about. And then he said if you'd like to meet me call me and again put his phone number. I don't know anything about this guy, except that he has internet access and he doesn't seem too interested in helping that process along.


So, do you guys understand that we don't know you, we don't know anyone else that knows you and we'd be a little more comfortable talking to you a little bit to see if any red flags pop up for us?


I understand that a meet would take place in a public setting and that they are not inviting me into their home to show me their basement . But, in my (hawt) youth, I've had guys follow me home from clubs when I didn't give out my phone number to them. I've had a guy who was dating my girlfriend, until she moved out of town to get away from his abuse, leave a note on my door that he wants to get to know me.... and no, as far as I know she never told him where I lived.


I'm entitled and, frankly, smart to be cautious. So these guys that talk about what gentlemen they are, etc., don't they want to make me comfortable before meeting them? I've read over and over about how if women won't provide a pic or don't want to meet right away that they are closed or blown-off... How considerate can I expect them to be in the future if they have no respect for my sense of safety?
Guys, weigh in here please, I'm really asking for your input. Thanks for your time.
These women got into trouble because they didn't use common sense.


I never go to meet someone for the first time unless it is a very public place, like the mall. I also don't park at the closest entrance to where I will be meeting them.


I also let several people know where I will be and how long I anticpate I will be there. I also print out and leave on my kitchen table information about the person I am meeting.
 
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I certainly understand why a woman would not want to meet right off. With the plethora of strange people out there in the world who want to do nothing but take advantage of you, it's best to be cautious. Like it has already been stated, it's best to meet in a very VERY public place - arrive in your own vehicle, depart in your own vehicle, and best if the first meeting is in broad daylight. To me that's just common sense. Any guy who cannot understand this needs to be directed to some newsfeeds and made to digest them for a few weeks and then if he still doesn't grasp this, it's time to move past him ladies.





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Redevil:


Thanks for the follow-up.


I see 2-3 weeks as being a perfectly fine length of time for communication before meeting. Just make sure the communication is constant.


Also, I'm sticking to my arguments (mine weren't in the "something to hide" category) on photos. I think the superficiality idea is limited somewhat since you had to spend a good solid hour or so filling out that personality profile, so you're getting these matches based on concepts other than looks.


And like I said before, if I can put my mug out there, anybody can.
LazarWolf,


You made a good point about filling out the personality profile, but I don't remember seeing the question "Are you an arrogant a$$ who refuses to be seen with anyone unless they are at least as attractive as you?"


As for posting a pic...hmmm (looking for a book to put over my head)


I do appreciate your comments as I am new to this arena and don't really know the protocol well.
 
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redevil999, wrote :


Turn on the news in any city and you'll hear horror stories about some very scary things happening to women. Inevitably if it's mentioned that the woman met the man online, you get the sense that many are thinking "when will they learn to be more careful?"


So, do you guys understand that we don't know you, we don't know anyone else that knows you and we'd be a little more comfortable talking to you a little bit to see if any red flags pop up for us?


I understand that a meet would take place in a public setting and that they are not inviting me into their home to show me their basement . But, in my (hawt) youth, I've had guys follow me home from clubs when I didn't give out my phone number to them. I've had a guy who was dating my girlfriend, until she moved out of town to get away from his abuse, leave a note on my door that he wants to get to know me.... and no, as far as I know she never told him where I lived.


I'm entitled and, frankly, smart to be cautious. So these guys that talk about what gentlemen they are, etc., don't they want to make me comfortable before meeting them? I've read over and over about how if women won't provide a pic or don't want to meet right away that they are closed or blown-off... How considerate can I expect them to be in the future if they have no respect for my sense of safety?
Guys, weigh in here please, I'm really asking for your input. Thanks for your time.


These women got into trouble because they didn't use common sense.


I never go to meet someone for the first time unless it is a very public place, like the mall. I also don't park at the closest entrance to where I will be meeting them.


I also let several people know where I will be and how long I anticpate I will be there. I also print out and leave on my kitchen table information about the person I am meeting.
Wow gr8guy and I thought it was just us women who worried about stuff like that!
 
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Hello Everyone,


I think the OP raises a valid point here -- really for both women and men.


We don't want our members to live in fear. Through our years of service, we have established rules of thumb for safety, which you can find at the below link:


http://www.eharmony.com/safety/tips


This is the same thing as "Dr. Warren's Message" which all our members must read at least once right before entering open communication with every match. We give these to all our members because they have been tested and proven over time.


In spite of these guidelines, there really is no formula that you can apply to all matches regarding how long to wait before meeting them in person. Listen to your own gut, and if you feel a green light that indicates to you that your match is safe and may have potential to become someone special, we recommend going forward, meeting him or her in a safe, public place.


If you "feel uncomfortable", you may want to wait or end communication depending on your level of discomfort. Note that one of the subject headings in the Safety Tips Message is "Always Use Your Best Judgment".


If you have any match concerns, you can always contact us at matchconcerns@eharmony.com.


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