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Mr_Right wrote :


If you say "I love you.", you're putting a great deal of pressure on him to say "I love you too."


I don't remember which book it was at Barnes and Noble, but I remember reading that you don't say those three words until at least 6 months into a relationship. And you should feel that he loves you too and is ready to say it, before it is said.


And JavaJava made some good points as well. In fact, I usually agree with JavaJava's point of view97.5% of the time.


I suppose if you like games. I prefer to speak my mind
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- June 18th, 2008, 02:59 pm
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Funny, there are some very interesting, thoughtful people on this discussion. I dropped off this site because I kept paying morey to exchange sets of questions. That doesn't work for me at all. I need to talk to people and interact.


After reading all the comments, some of which were very good, I think you have to use your best judgment. Guys have to grow up and stop running from love and quit trying to have their cake and eat it too. There is nothng wrong with commitment, commitment gets you where you want to go faster and safer and better. I can love people easily, which doesn't necessarily mean I want to marry them. But I think many people today are very selfish and are looking foir the wrong things. Obviously, we have needs and wants in a mate./companion and we have to accept and love people for who they are and shouldn;t limit ourselves by being picky on nonessentials.


My parents' generation knew what commitment was, they went through war and depression and things none of us have had to experience (unless Obama gets to be President and the socialists keep controlling Congress). But they knew how to stick together, to be there for each other, they didn't demand beauty and riches, but loyalty, integrity, commitment, reliability, honesty, responsibility...


I've had the experience of guys running when you said love...and then coming back later (after thus shoiwng me that they did not care about my heart and their lack of courage) and thinking they were going to pick up where they left off. Unforunately for them, I had moved on, and even if I hadn;'t, they had shown me they weren't to be trusted.


I think it doesn't have to be that hard. But then, I'm a Christian and loving God and loving the believing household is a way of life.
- June 18th, 2008, 04:16 pm
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I look at it like this - don't hold back because one day when you give your love to the "right sombody", it's gonna be ON!
- June 18th, 2008, 06:02 pm
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I don't think there is a hard a fast rule like always wait for the man to say it. I depends on the relationship. In my current relationship I did wait for him. We had been dating for over a year. I had used the word in cards and in emails and im's but never said it out loud. We had both said that we cared alot for each other. He had also said that he wasn't the type to say I love you right away but if he did I would know he meant it. Anyway it was really difficult but I waited because I knew he would feel pressured to say it back. Then one day in the middle of a conversation after about a year and three months of dating he casually said you love me and I love you too. Now we say it all the time. There is a lot of advise out there that says if a man hasn't agreed to be exclusive after a certain number of dates or hasn't proposed marriage at a certain point in a relationship that you should give up and look elsewhere. If that works for some people great but I would have missed out on a really wonderful man if I had followed that type of advice. If he is honest and treats you well and makes you happy I say be patient. There are wonderful guys out there who have been burned in previous relationships--they may want to try again but they need patience not to be rushed.
- June 18th, 2008, 06:52 pm
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I prefer to hear it first. It have said it first and figure well, if I love you just because you aren't feeling it or wanna say it, doesn't mean I feel less for him.
- June 18th, 2008, 07:08 pm
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dubistdu wrote :

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I don't like to play games. If you're sure you love him then you should tell him so.


I don't like to play game because I suck at it. I don't know the rules and I don't even know how to play it.


So I thought honesty would be the best policy and I will just be myself....and.....well I didn't say I love him but expressed my interest.


Then he lost interest in me. Before I had any interest in him he sent me endless mesages, emails, with sweetest words possible.


Then I talked to my girl friends about this andall theiranswer was....


"J*******, you need to play the game. All the guys say they don't like games but they play it.


That's the only way to get a guy"


Well, too bad, I'm doomed. I suck at the game. Someboy please write out a rule book and hand it to me. Then I will know.


So... me, no, I will never say it first. Cuz.... Im chicken and if it's a game that I am destined to not win, I will at least reserve my feeling.
I hate to say it but, I met a wonderful girl here on e-harmony- we corresponded for a couple months, met (as we lived nearby) and had a torrid soulmate love affair that lasted about 3 months- one mutually felt and irrepressible.


Then I made the mistake of venting my feelings to her totally during a love session and from that moment on things started changing- simply because I said "I Love You", and later that she needn't go home as she could stay. We were both 57 years old and supposedly mature enough to handle a real relationship.


To make a long story short- she dropped me within a month after my birthday over-nighter with her- she got up left in the morning and never even looked back. No discussion or arguments. She simply said a really emotional time had come for her and and things were "probably" moving too fast for us. She needed time to be alone. Then dead silence for 3 months. Then a get lost e-mail which I couldn't believe came from the same person asking me politely not to try to contact her any more.


From my viewpoint, my mental and physical health suffered greatly (in the hospital 3x for stress related ailments including heart arrythymias)I was unable to function and meet a book writing deadline and I am still in the throes of denial, hoping she'll come back.


I learned from her never to say "I Love You' verbally before marriage and will never again. Everything including sex may be okay before marriage, but the two words love and committment must be avoided at all cost. After 4 months of silence I've learned they are toxic to even soulmate relationships.


It's a shame, but sharing your true feelings comes at considerable risk- even in the protected environment of online dating-relationship making. The game players are everywhere- do what you have to do to protect yourself, no one else will.





- June 18th, 2008, 10:19 pm
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Everyone seems to think the issue is who should say it first. The issue, in fact, is that you're not comfortable enough with him to be completely emotionally naked. I think he's right to say he cares a great deal about you, and maybe you should reassess the verbiage you attach to your own feelings. Wait until his response isn't an integral part of your decision in saying it. Say it when it's just the plain and simple truth, as opposed to what it would be for you now - a perceived marker of growth in your relationship. Relax and enjoy where you are now.
- June 20th, 2008, 08:59 pm
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I don't think there is a hard a fast rule like always wait for the man to say it. I depends on the relationship. In my current relationship I did wait for him. We had been dating for over a year. I had used the word in cards and in emails and im's but never said it out loud. We had both said that we cared alot for each other. He had also said that he wasn't the type to say I love you right away but if he did I would know he meant it. Anyway it was really difficult but I waited because I knew he would feel pressured to say it back. Then one day in the middle of a conversation after about a year and three months of dating he casually said you love me and I love you too. Now we say it all the time. There is a lot of advise out there that says if a man hasn't agreed to be exclusive after a certain number of dates or hasn't proposed marriage at a certain point in a relationship that you should give up and look elsewhere. If that works for some people great but I would have missed out on a really wonderful man if I had followed that type of advice. If he is honest and treats you well and makes you happy I say be patient. There are wonderful guys out there who have been burned in previous relationships--they may want to try again but they need patience not to be rushed.
Thank you that is very good advice. I think patience is definately needed in my situation right now. I think I was pushing much too soon. We adore one another and I know he cares about me deeply and for right now that's all that matters. I have a habit of being impatient...thank you for reminder w
- June 21st, 2008, 01:13 pm
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dubistdu wrote :

BSchorr wrote :





I don't like to play games. If you're sure you love him then you should tell him so.


I don't like to play game because I suck at it. I don't know the rules and I don't even know how to play it.


So I thought honesty would be the best policy and I will just be myself....and.....well I didn't say I love him but expressed my interest.


Then he lost interest in me. Before I had any interest in him he sent me endless mesages, emails, with sweetest words possible.


Then I talked to my girl friends about this andall theiranswer was....


"J*******, you need to play the game. All the guys say they don't like games but they play it.


That's the only way to get a guy"


Well, too bad, I'm doomed. I suck at the game. Someboy please write out a rule book and hand it to me. Then I will know.


So... me, no, I will never say it first. Cuz.... Im chicken and if it's a game that I am destined to not win, I will at least reserve my feeling.
Hi, feel sorry 4 y, some of us guys "just dont get it"(how 2 get a woman) others do, if y wanna know more about the "game" try this: doubleyourdating.com -its made for men, but maybe it can help y, and try google sites like this, just 4 women, i know they exist, just dont remember the homesiteadress! God bless y!


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- June 21st, 2008, 05:18 pm
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javajava5 wrote :

Dear JLee,


I'm going to be in the minority here but I highly recommend you NOT tell him that you love him right now.


Here's why:


1. In the vast scheme of your life, five months really isn't all that long to know a person. Though your relationships seems like it's getting serious, keep in mind that a couple should know each other for minimally a year before marriage, and two years, preferably three, at least if they're in their late teens or early 20's.


2. Refraining from telling him you love him is not playing games; it's choosing to be silent for now on that specific subject.


As Dr. MPDoc68 has said in some threads, "Pace, not chase." My advice is similar, "Don't pursue the guy more than he's pursuing you."


When you tell him you love him, you're getting ahead of him. Let him be the man in the relationship and take the proper lead and respond accordingly (if you so desire). If he tells you he likes you, then respond back in like (if you do that is). Never game play; always be honest. Game playing doesn't mean that you always say everything you know.


A wise lady knows when to hold back a bit and wait for the right time. Five months is too early.


You see, here's how it goes:
  1. Friendship with chemistry across the four areas: Mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual;
  2. Deep Friendship with chemistry;
  3. Love with chemistry;
  4. Marriage with chemistry;
  5. Baby (if couple chooses).


A man should not tell a lady he loves her until he's ready to propose to her as it's unwise otherwise. Say someone told you he loved you and you dated another two years without any plan but "being in love" and broke up. That's not what love is.


Here's what love is:


"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails." I Corinthians 13: 4 - 8


3. Love goes places; it's not stagnant. By it's very nature, love grows the more it gets to know a person. People in their 80's are often heard to say they love each other more than when they married. Love carries through thick and thin, love is a commitment, a commitment for a lifetime.


When a man tells a girl he loves her, he should be prepared to ask her to marry him - or very shortly thereafter.


4. After a couple declares their love for each other, the man should ask for the ladies' hand in marriage if her parents are still living - always chivalrous and endearing to her folks no matter what their age, and upon her acceptance of his proposal, an engagement period should begin not to exceed a year in time.


5. Sometime during this engagement period, the couple should have really good pre-marital counseling. Oftentimes the pastor does counseling and other places always provide this. Good counseling will include an assessment taken by each person and topics will be discussed in depth such as finances (a big cause of marital break-ups), sex (another cause of marriage disintegration), children and / or stepchildren, blended families, careers, etc.


6. Say you told him you love him now . . . . Then what? That puts him under a sort of obligation to tell you he loves you then or sometime in the near future. If he hasn't come to that conclusion yet for himself, then he's going to feel pressured inside. That's just how it is. He's going to feel uncomfortable and either he will try to force feelings out of politeness or he'll back away as he'll begin to feel sort of caged and ill at ease.


He may even start to avoid you a bit because he might be afraid you'll say it again or have some sort of expectation from him and he won't know what to do.


It's far better just to keep those feelings to yourself. It's not playing games; rather, being prudent and wise.


There'll be plenty of time to tell him how very much you love him after he tells you.


If you're premature in doing it before he does, you do risk him breaking up with you. That's happened to many a girl.


7. So, most definitely "Yes," wait patiently and see what develops. So you wait six more months until he tells you he loves you. That's a very small amount of time in terms of your whole lifetime. After all, you have all your life to be married to this man you love.


You don't mention your age, but say you're 39 and you marry him when you're 41, if you're the same age and live to be 81, you will have been married 40 years. Think about it all in terms of the timeline of your life and what that looks like rather than the narrowness of the moment.


Remember, love is about the other person, not yourself. This is very important to remember. Yes, you're in love and you want to tell him and maybe, the whole world, but now is just not the time.


8. For all you know, he may be waiting for a very special occasion to tell you he loves you and surprise you with a ring - maybe Christmas. Many a girl has become engaged around the holidays! In December, you will have known each other 11 months - still not long in terms of the length of your lives.


9. So, when he tells you he cares for you deeply, tell him the same thing back, but hold off on those three little words, "I love you." You'll be glad you did in the long run.


10. Keep in mind the tortoise wins the race.


JavaJava5
This advice is DEAD ON!!


listen to javajava5-she's knows her stuff.


Let him tell you first. 5 months is NOTHING!!


patience patience. it's the key!!!





be brave and wait.....as she said: the tortoise wins the race!!





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