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Jpowers is offline Jpowers Post #1  March 19,2010, 12:39pm
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This is a little involved so I'll attempt to keep the text blocks to a minimum for the sake of everyone's eyes.

I met a guy through the internet over two, almost three, years ago. Everything was so perfect. I fell madly in love with him right off the bat, and I believe it was truly requited. We had, literally, 3-4-5 hour long phone conversations almost every night.

This went on for around three months. During which time I did find out that he had initially lied to me about his age, only by a few months, though. That's fine, I wasn't really worried about it. That was the first, tiny nick in the relationship, though.

The second major, major hit that our relationship took was he blew me off, after we had made plans several weeks in advance, to go 'hang' with some other friend of his. This friend of his was very...how to put it..."ill mannered" and "dangerous", meaning he was known to be a drug user, somewhat of a minor criminal, etc..

Now, it's absolutely none of my business who he hangs out with. I totally accept that, and I would never try to change that. However, it did instill quite a bit of fear (for his safety) into me. On the night he stood me up he promised he would call me later that night. He failed to do so, and his phone was turned off.

I must admit I do tend to worry a little but I do keep things in perspective. I feel that I was justified in being concerned for his safety. Especially considering he failed to call me. The next day he called me and gave me a quick "sorry my phone died" and that was it. I was emphatic but NOT mean in my way of explaining to him that I was extremely worried about him. He did not seem to care at all. His attitude was basically "So?"

Alright, let's skip forward a few months. Everything was still fine, not a single fight or anything.

Suddenly, for no apparent (to me, anyway) reason, he begins not calling me, and coming up with very lame excuses for why we can't see each other. At first I believed him as I was gullible -- I trusted him a lot.

Over the course of about four months, the contact dwindled (ie, he failed to return calls/messenger msgs/texts), and the plans we would make would continue to be spoiled by some extraordinary circumstance. At the last minute something would always come up. It got to the point where we would have no contact for weeks at a time, and when we would talk, he would complain that I was unhappy.

At this point I'll mention that he lived ~30 minutes away from me, and I was the one that always drove. Due to some sort of eye condition, he was unable to judge depth properly thus disallowing him to drive. This was not a lie, I know that for certain.

The second-to-last straw that broke the camel's back was when I spent two hours waiting in line at the ONLY gas station that still had gas at the time (this was during the gas shortage), and spent over a hundred dollars on gasoline, to facilitate a trip we had planned for over a month. As per usual, at the very last minute something came up and he failed to deliver. Again, keeping my cool to the best of my ability, and being blatant but not MEAN, I told him about the rigmarole I went through to get the gas. Again, he did not seem to care.

Several weeks later he broke plans to spend time together on his birthday, and at that point, I broke up with him.

I hope I wasn't being selfish by breaking up with him on his birthday but, I just...all of the anger and hurt that had been building up by the continuous neglect, and lack of caring, just kind of all came out at once. If I hadn't been so hurt by his actions I never would have broken up with him on his birthday.

Now, let's fast forward another six months. I haven't spoken to him at all since the b-day break up. He starts coming around again on messenger, trying to get me to talk to him. Feeling guilty and feeling like I was denying him something, I conceited and started talking to him again.

That was a huge mistake. I was NOT ready to talk to him again. Eventually he told me to "go F%$^ yourself" and that was the last time I talked to him.

Fast forward another few months. He comes around with some floozy and tries to make me jealous and come back to him (he later admitted he was doing it on purpose so there's no mistaking it). I saw right through it and, honestly, I didn't care. I spoke my mind and told him "I hope she makes you happy." and he then attempted several more times to make me jealous but they were in vain.

I should also mention that during the time of him attempting to get me to come back to him through jealousy, I did try to date someone else. My 'fried' emotional state lead me to make poor decisions and bad judgment calls which ultimately resulted in me sleeping with someone for whom I had no feelings.. I take full responsibility for that. In the process of doing so, however, I hurt more than just myself. I couldn't go back in time, though. I apologized profusely to the guy, and told him the truth about why we couldn't be together. The truth that I told him was that I could not stop thinking about my ex, and that I felt any continued contact would only result in both of us being hurt even more.

Fast forward about a year. It's now December of '09. We both, mutually, start talking again. It's been so long he seems to have changed a great deal. It's the first time we met all over again. We're both falling all over each other, although I must admit, I never really lost any feelings for him. We went on a few 'test the waters' dates, and everything seemed peachy.

That was until two months ago, in January, right after my birthday, he STARTED DOING THE SAME THING TO ME AGAIN! It was the first time around ALL. OVER. AGAIN., with virtually no difference. Weeks without contact, never initiating anything, and always coming up with excuses for not hanging out.

So, it's present day. I'm currently awaiting a call from him. Apparently he feels I shouldn't expect him to talk to me, and I should be happy with whatever time he gives me. He also expects me to believe his effing lies again. Honestly, who is SO busy that they can't make a five minute phone call at SOME point in the day? He works in retail. He could call me on break, call me on the bus home, call me before he went to bed, etc..

What's so confusing is every time we're together (in person) everything is fantastic. We're like two peas in a pod and lovey-dovey.




So my question is simple: what's my course of action? Should I give him ANOTHER chance? I cannot deny that my feelings for him are strong, and that most of my daily thoughts are occupied by him. I love him, truly. I love him to death. I'd marry him if it wasn't for this garbage he's doing to me.

What's worse is apparently as soon as I get fed a bit of niceties, I forget all about what he's done to me in the past, and forgive him completely. I don't know how much more unconditional my love can get.

Please offer me some advice guys. I'm worn down at this point. My heart can't take any more of this.

Thanks in advance, and thanks if you made it this far in reading.

Sincerely,
Jen Powers
 
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Nanette is offline Nanette Post #3  March 19,2010, 12:50pm
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Why the heck would you bother with this guy again? He has been jerking you around from the beginning, he plays you like you are a sap and you allow him to come back for more.

I really am sorry if I sound harsh and I know sometimes we need that outside opinion to get us to see the truth, so kudos to you for your post. It's hard to put yourself out there.

Please get rid of this guy from your life and find someone that is really interested in you and will treat you well.
 
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Jpowers is offline Jpowers Post #4  March 19,2010, 1:18pm
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I really don't think he was playing me, honestly.

My guess is he's afraid of people getting too close to it and self destructs when it happens.

I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought he was playing me. I don't think he is at all.

I've known him long enough to know that inside, he's a really sweet and loving guy. It's just...as if something is obscuring it all. I don't know, maybe he's afraid of commitment? Though that doesn't make much sense he initiated the relationship, not me.

I don't know guys...I just know he's not using me or playing me at all. That's one thing I know he'd never do. He might be an inconsiderate b%^$ard at times, but deep down lies this great guy. It's just...so bloody frustrating to know someone is capable of being so nice to you and then they turn around and push, push, push you away.
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I guess I should also ask...

Am I asking too much for someone to return my calls within a few days? I mean...you know...I don't want to sound pathetic but I hated not talking to him.
 
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DrTonya is offline DrTonya Post #6  March 19,2010, 1:36pm
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Jpowers wrote :

**SNIP**

Suddenly, for no apparent (to me, anyway) reason, he begins not calling me, and coming up with very lame excuses for why we can't see each other. At first I believed him as I was gullible -- I trusted him a lot.

Over the course of about four months, the contact dwindled (ie, he failed to return calls/messenger msgs/texts), and the plans we would make would continue to be spoiled by some extraordinary circumstance. At the last minute something would always come up. It got to the point where we would have no contact for weeks at a time, and when we would talk, he would complain that I was unhappy.

**SNIP**

The second-to-last straw that broke the camel's back was when I spent two hours waiting in line at the ONLY gas station that still had gas at the time (this was during the gas shortage), and spent over a hundred dollars on gasoline, to facilitate a trip we had planned for over a month. As per usual, at the very last minute something came up and he failed to deliver. Again, keeping my cool to the best of my ability, and being blatant but not MEAN, I told him about the rigmarole I went through to get the gas. Again, he did not seem to care.

Several weeks later he broke plans to spend time together on his birthday, and at that point, I broke up with him.

I hope I wasn't being selfish by breaking up with him on his birthday but, I just...all of the anger and hurt that had been building up by the continuous neglect, and lack of caring, just kind of all came out at once. If I hadn't been so hurt by his actions I never would have broken up with him on his birthday.

Now, let's fast forward another six months. I haven't spoken to him at all since the b-day break up. He starts coming around again on messenger, trying to get me to talk to him. Feeling guilty and feeling like I was denying him something, I conceited and started talking to him again.

** SNIP **
My 'fried' emotional state lead me to make poor decisions and bad judgment calls which ultimately resulted in me sleeping with someone for whom I had no feelings..

**SNIP**

That was until two months ago, in January, right after my birthday, he STARTED DOING THE SAME THING TO ME AGAIN! It was the first time around ALL. OVER. AGAIN., with virtually no difference. Weeks without contact, never initiating anything, and always coming up with excuses for not hanging out.

So, it's present day. I'm currently awaiting a call from him. Apparently he feels I shouldn't expect him to talk to me, and I should be happy with whatever time he gives me. He also expects me to believe his effing lies again. Honestly, who is SO busy that they can't make a five minute phone call at SOME point in the day? He works in retail. He could call me on break, call me on the bus home, call me before he went to bed, etc..

What's so confusing is every time we're together (in person) everything is fantastic. We're like two peas in a pod and lovey-dovey.

So my question is simple: what's my course of action? Should I give him ANOTHER chance? I cannot deny that my feelings for him are strong, and that most of my daily thoughts are occupied by him. I love him, truly. I love him to death. I'd marry him if it wasn't for this garbage he's doing to me.

What's worse is apparently as soon as I get fed a bit of niceties, I forget all about what he's done to me in the past, and forgive him completely. I don't know how much more unconditional my love can get.

Please offer me some advice guys. I'm worn down at this point. My heart can't take any more of this.

Thanks in advance, and thanks if you made it this far in reading.

Sincerely,
Jen Powers
Hi Jen,

Like Nanette stated above, I know it is hard to put yourself out there. I went thru what you wrote and highlighted some things I thought you may want to revisit and re-read.

My question for you is this: Why do you let yourself be treated this way? Why are you even remotely considering giving him a bazillionth chance after his previous actions?

To be blunt, he is doing this to you BECAUSE HE CAN. You seem to think that "unconditional" love means letting someone walk all over you and disrespect you while you simply accept it. That cannot be further from the truth! You do not OWE him a darn thing regardless of what he says otherwise.

He has never shown you any respect as far as I can tell from what you have written. He started the relationship with a lie about his age (if it was only a few months, why lie about it to begin with?); he stood you up numerous times; he hangs out with people who may not be the best choice and then does not respond to your concerns about your safety; he throws subsequent relationships in your face after you have broken up to make you "jealous" or as his way to "win you back"; you said yourself that he expects you to just wait for him to call you at his whim.... What exactly do you see in this guy?

My worry is that you stated that you would MARRY him EXCEPT for how he treats you! You considered yourself "selfish" for breaking up with him on his birthday because once again he stood you up. The only person being selfish here is him. Plain and simple.

Jen, I strongly encourage you to look within yourself and come to terms on why it is ok that you allow yourself to be so disrespected. The choices you are making are not healthy. Your instinct after breaking up with him was to sleep with someone else that you did not care for. Not judging here at all - but as an observation you seem to not hold yourself in the highest esteem.

Yes, he is "lovey dovey" when necessary because he knows that if he does that he will continue to string you along as his plaything and girlfriend of convenience. I am guessing that hurts but it is the truth.

My advice is end it. End it FOREVER. Delete his screen name from all IM programs; take his number out of your cellphone; and never, ever contact him again. Wipe the slate clean. Stand up for yourself and show him that this is not ok to treat you this way.

Then, you need to take a break from dating for a while and as I have stated, figure out why you are attracted to someone who treats you this way. You may think you love him - I think you are simply scared to be alone and think that if you let this guy go that you will not find anyone else to be with you. Just a hunch. However, he is counting on you to feel/think this way - that his how he has manipulated and preyed on your insecurities for so long. Too long.

Sorry so long but I wanted to be clear (as clear as possible). I do wish you the best of luck. Please, please take care of yourself.
 
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Seems you have already decided he isnt that bad after all.
What does it matter if he doesnt call? You'll have to get used to it. Its the way he is and he's a nice guy underneath all the bad habits right?
You must feel you deserve to be treated like this and until you decide otherwise, no amount of advice is going to help you.
 
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Jen, you deserve better. Someone who treats you with respect. He doesn't. He won't change. You have given him more than enough chances and the pattern continues. You don't need us to tell you this, though. Just coming here and asking and saying you are questioning your relationship with him is answer enough. Listen to your gut. He doesn't deserve you! Being jealous or trying to make you jealous doesn't mean anything. It's a power thing.

As for him returning phone calls, no you aren't asking too much. Like everyone told me when I first posted... If he really wanted to be with you, he would do whatever he could to show it. Not blow you off.

Good luck sweetie.
 
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Jpowers wrote :
.This friend of his was very...how to put it..."ill mannered" and "dangerous", meaning he was known to be a drug user, somewhat of a minor criminal, etc.. Now, it's absolutely none of my business who he hangs out with.
It is your business to know who he *hangs* out with. The ole saying "I was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people!"


But really, you should stop fast-fowarding and replaying this DVD. The scene selection doesn't change and the movie ends the same way. No matter how many times you watch it.

Put in a new movie!
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What everyone else said: you deserve better. What would you tell your best friend if she was in this situation?

The reason for his behavior is irrelevant at this point. This has been going on for years. He will not change, IMO. You have to either stay with him and accept him 100% the way he is or leave him. I think the choice is stunningly easy.
 
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