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You are really into a budding relationship, but your new love makes way more money than you do. Or way less. How do you broach very sticky subject of disproportionate salaries in a relationship?
- May 15th, 2008, 04:07 am
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Isn't the relationship about synergy between two people in the areas of spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical chemistry and notwhat she or he may or may not have materially and / or financially?

Many have met and married right after college and started off married life together bare bones as have those who didn't go to college.Material things are not a good indicatorofwhat goes into making up a wonderful, life-long marriage and one only has to see that from the recent "You Tube" rant of of Tricia Walsh-Smith against her wealthy husband, Philip Smith, or the former govenor of New York, Elliot Spitzer and his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer. They had money, power, seemingly everything material!

Yes, while it is true that one can't live on lovealone, over time, as each person is getting to know the other, finances - including how one manages their money, how the person views money, and those kinds of things, will need to be addressed in any serious relationship, among many other things.

Money is not the end all and be all of everything. If it were than Elizabeth Taylor should have been very happy in any of her many marriages as should Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis to Aristotle!

Marrying for money never works and more people need to realize that. Things of importance in life are character qualities like honesty, integrity, dependability, commitment, having the ability to resolve conflict, being hard-working, having core values, being kind, treating others as you wish to be treated, helping others, raising strong families. None of these things are dependent on money.

Yes, having enough money to pay the bills is nice and would that it were so for everyone in the world.

There's been a resurgence in recent years where the couple has chosen for the wife to stay home and take care of the family and children! On the news yesterday was a piece about this very thing where couples have found the cost of childcare, work wardrobe, the extra car and gas, and work-related expenses do not even make it worthwhile for the wife to work.Manycouples have chosenfor the wife not to work and they're all somuch happier with that decision than when the wife was working.

Many women find they really want to return to homemaking, at least when their family is young, and do so, leading happy and fulfilling lives.

I've personally heard a good number of couples say it's just too stressful on the household when both are working and trying to raise a family.Life is just too frantic they say.

I'm really grateful to have been ina family where my mother was home when I got home from school and I didn't have to go to some babysitter or childcare place. It gave me such security and stability, and I still remember the smell of homemade bread permeating the kitchen when I'd walk in the door. Plus, my mother had lots of opportunity to teach and train her children, unlike many parents who are frenzied with their ultra-busy lives. I could make a piefrom scratch when I was eight years old andiron my dad's white shirts! I knew how to be mannerly and carry on a conversation with an adult and I was already well on my way to having a good work ethic. Most 8-year olds hardly know how to do anything.

It's much more beneficial for children to have that stability and security in their families than that other income. There's many free things one can do with their children and just being there with them is vital to their well-being.

When two people are working all day and exhausted, who really feels like coming home and making a nice home-cooked meal for their family? Who feels like doing the household chores after a full work day? Who feels like being intimate with their spouse after work, chores, and kids? Kids get snapped at as does the spouse by the other and people's lives just crumble many times as everyone is trying to do too much and is chronically exhausted as a result.

It's not coincidence that the divorce rate has surged sinceboth person in a marriagestarted working, perhaps trying to go to school too, and raising a family on top of it all. It makes life way too stressful!

Making a choice to have less income as a family, but have a less harried life, with more time to "smell the roses," usually makes for a much better marriage and family life.

Single parents have it really, really hard and my heart goes out to them.

There's always going to be disproportionate salaries in any relationship. Everyone wants someone to want him or her for himself or herself. If a person marries for money, then what happens to the relationship when there's a possible fortune reversal, stock market downturn,or a person loses their job? Anyone who marries for money gets what he or she deserves! It's a mistake. Don't do it. Don't even have it as one of your top 5 criteria. There's so many things so much more important in relationships, and money is not one of them, though money issues are one of the top two reasonsfor divorce; sex being the other.

These are just some of the reasons why it's really important to get to know the other person over time and see how each is in all kinds of moods and different situations. These things just cannot be hurried and as the relationship deepens, it's so very important to take the time to discuss many, many things at length including finances - who will balance the checkbook, when will a house be purchased, what is the other's thoughts on credit, spending, saving, etc.; possible children - how many and how soon; where the couple will live; how long will each work; sex; extended family; etc.

As always, these things should all be discussed at great length in any serious relationship and in pre-marital counseling, too,which is an absolutemust before any marriage takes place. A good pre-marital counselor will give each couple an assessment that each will take and then cover everything in many sessions. Usually, there's workbooks and written material. Marriage is serious business, a lifetime commitment, and should not ever be hurried into.

Again, look to the person, not their money, and see what the person is all about and whether he or she would be good marriage material. Having money does NOT make a person good marriage material particularly! Things like, being hard working, saving some of their income, being careful with credit, are just a few of the many, many things that go into making a person a good relationship candidate.

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- May 15th, 2008, 06:21 am
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I think the only way a relationship like this can survive is through UNDERSTANDING!

If it's merely based on how much income one partner makes...that's a RED FLAG!

Some professions pay a lot more than others. So perhaps the choice comes down to choosing whether you want to pursue your mate or your career?

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- May 15th, 2008, 09:56 am
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javajava5 wrote :

Isn't the relationship about synergy between two people in the areas of spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical chemistry and notwhat she or he may or may not have materially and / or financially?

Many have met and married right after college and started off married life together bare bones as have those who didn't go to college.Material things are not a good indicatorofwhat goes into making up a wonderful, life-long marriage and one only has to see that from the recent "You Tube" rant of of Tricia Walsh-Smith against her wealthy husband, Philip Smith, or the former govenor of New York, Elliot Spitzer and his wife, Silda Wall Spitzer. They had money, power, seemingly everything material!

Yes, while it is true that one can't live on lovealone, over time, as each person is getting to know the other, finances - including how one manages their money, how the person views money, and those kinds of things, will need to be addressed in any serious relationship, among many other things.

Money is not the end all and be all of everything. If it were than Elizabeth Taylor should have been very happy in any of her many marriages as should Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis to Aristotle!

Marrying for money never works and more people need to realize that. Things of importance in life are character qualities like honesty, integrity, dependability, commitment, having the ability to resolve conflict, being hard-working, having core values, being kind, treating others as you wish to be treated, helping others, raising strong families. None of these things are dependent on money.

Yes, having enough money to pay the bills is nice and would that it were so for everyone in the world.

There's been a resurgence in recent years where the couple has chosen for the wife to stay home and take care of the family and children! On the news yesterday was a piece about this very thing where couples have found the cost of childcare, work wardrobe, the extra car and gas, and work-related expenses do not even make it worthwhile for the wife to work.Manycouples have chosenfor the wife not to work and they're all somuch happier with that decision than when the wife was working.

Many women find they really want to return to homemaking, at least when their family is young, and do so, leading happy and fulfilling lives.

I've personally heard a good number of couples say it's just too stressful on the household when both are working and trying to raise a family.Life is just too frantic they say.

I'm really grateful to have been ina family where my mother was home when I got home from school and I didn't have to go to some babysitter or childcare place. It gave me such security and stability, and I still remember the smell of homemade bread permeating the kitchen when I'd walk in the door. Plus, my mother had lots of opportunity to teach and train her children, unlike many parents who are frenzied with their ultra-busy lives. I could make a piefrom scratch when I was eight years old andiron my dad's white shirts! I knew how to be mannerly and carry on a conversation with an adult and I was already well on my way to having a good work ethic. Most 8-year olds hardly know how to do anything.

It's much more beneficial for children to have that stability and security in their families than that other income. There's many free things one can do with their children and just being there with them is vital to their well-being.

When two people are working all day and exhausted, who really feels like coming home and making a nice home-cooked meal for their family? Who feels like doing the household chores after a full work day? Who feels like being intimate with their spouse after work, chores, and kids? Kids get snapped at as does the spouse by the other and people's lives just crumble many times as everyone is trying to do too much and is chronically exhausted as a result.

It's not coincidence that the divorce rate has surged sinceboth person in a marriagestarted working, perhaps trying to go to school too, and raising a family on top of it all. It makes life way too stressful!

Making a choice to have less income as a family, but have a less harried life, with more time to "smell the roses," usually makes for a much better marriage and family life.

Single parents have it really, really hard and my heart goes out to them.

There's always going to be disproportionate salaries in any relationship. Everyone wants someone to want him or her for himself or herself. If a person marries for money, then what happens to the relationship when there's a possible fortune reversal, stock market downturn,or a person loses their job? Anyone who marries for money gets what he or she deserves! It's a mistake. Don't do it. Don't even have it as one of your top 5 criteria. There's so many things so much more important in relationships, and money is not one of them, though money issues are one of the top two reasonsfor divorce; sex being the other.

These are just some of the reasons why it's really important to get to know the other person over time and see how each is in all kinds of moods and different situations. These things just cannot be hurried and as the relationship deepens, it's so very important to take the time to discuss many, many things at length including finances - who will balance the checkbook, when will a house be purchased, what is the other's thoughts on credit, spending, saving, etc.; possible children - how many and how soon; where the couple will live; how long will each work; sex; extended family; etc.

As always, these things should all be discussed at great length in any serious relationship and in pre-marital counseling, too,which is an absolutemust before any marriage takes place. A good pre-marital counselor will give each couple an assessment that each will take and then cover everything in many sessions. Usually, there's workbooks and written material. Marriage is serious business, a lifetime commitment, and should not ever be hurried into.

Again, look to the person, not their money, and see what the person is all about and whether he or she would be good marriage material. Having money does NOT make a person good marriage material particularly! Things like, being hard working, saving some of their income, being careful with credit, are just a few of the many, many things that go into making a person a good relationship candidate.

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Although I understand your points...andsome ARE valid... people change.

You can certainly discuss all of those things before marriage but guess what? Expectations change, circumstances change and often times people become very dissatisfied with that which they may have agreed to previously.

People in relationships need to be flexible, they need to make allowances for others and they need to work to resolve issues rather than insist upon being right or wrong.

If one of the persons isunwilling toactively worktowards a solution then THAT is the root of the problem... not simply the financial issues. They are a symtom of the root problem.

- May 15th, 2008, 11:51 am
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So what if one makes a lot more? I've not seen why this should be a problem, unless one of the couple makes it a problem.



And as for having a two-income family ... sometimes that's not a choice, but a necessity. One income, unless it's low enough for public assistance, is not going to pay the rent for a family of four. (And you can bet that if one of the adults is not working, people will complain about the "lazy poor" who won't go out and get a job) Minimum wage is not enough to raise kids on.



My dad was a mechanic; my mom was a nurse. She made more than he did, and she had to work to help support the family while we were growing up. I don't remember feeling any less loved because she didn't bake bread. My folks were both tired at night, sure, but since when isn't a stay-at-home mom tired at night, too? (In fact, I was a SAHM for 12 years, and I was more exhausted then than when I went to work.)



Bottom line, money is just one more emotion-laden issue, and it shouldn't make any difference to a relationship unless one of the parties tries to use it for leverage or as a club. Communication, understanding, and respect are the keys to negotiating in a relationship.
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It usually never matters to a man what a woman makes, on the contrary; woman always prefer a wealthy man. It's that simple!
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I often earn more than the men I date, and I don't care. I don't want to support someone, nor do I want to be supported. I don't intend to stay at home and do the homemaker thing - I seriously think what little sanity I have left would dissipate immediately the first day I stayed home. It's just not me. As long as he's working, preferably in a job he enjoys, and is responsible with whatever money he earns, I don't give a hoot what he does for a living or the money he makes. I don't live a lavish lifestyle and I don't want to. I'm content with simple stuff, small cars, small house, cooking at home, etc. Money doesn't make the man, or at least doesn't make the kind of man I want in my life.

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NancyG wrote :

So what if one makes a lot more? I've not seen why this should be a problem, unless one of the couple makes it a problem.



And as for having a two-income family ... sometimes that's not a choice, but a necessity. One income, unless it's low enough for public assistance, is not going to pay the rent for a family of four. (And you can bet that if one of the adults is not working, people will complain about the "lazy poor" who won't go out and get a job) Minimum wage is not enough to raise kids on.



My dad was a mechanic; my mom was a nurse. She made more than he did, and she had to work to help support the family while we were growing up. I don't remember feeling any less loved because she didn't bake bread. My folks were both tired at night, sure, but since when isn't a stay-at-home mom tired at night, too? (In fact, I was a SAHM for 12 years, and I was more exhausted then than when I went to work.)



Bottom line, money is just one more emotion-laden issue, and it shouldn't make any difference to a relationship unless one of the parties tries to use it for leverage or as a club. Communication, understanding, and respect are the keys to negotiating in a relationship.
Thank you so much for this post. It is very considerate of the fact that everyone was not raised middle-class. I am currentlyinvolved in actively supporting poverty issues, and it is sobering to see how some people struggle to live from day to day!
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One of the reasons I have remained single so long is because I enjoy my freedom. The other reason is because I want to have something substantial to "bring to the table" in terms of money. I detest the idea of asking a man for money or nothaving my own.

When I married young, my husband was somewhat older and came from a comfortablefamily. During ouryears together, I knew what it felt like to live in a beautiful home, wear expensive clothes and not want for material things. But I was not happy emotionally or spiritually.

If a relationship does not work, money cannot make it work. By the same token, money is important, because it is so necessary for many of the material things we take for granted.

My income is decent, but it has been disproportionate to many of the salaries ofmen I have dated in the past. Thehighest income was in thesix figures- a man fromwhom Iaccepted a down payment on a new car. This made me uncomfortable, and it's something I would never do again. If I can't buy it myself, then I willeither wait until later to get it or not get it at all. For me, this type of attitude keeps me free.

In a healthy relationship, money should definitely be discussed when the time is right - and that time will vary with each couple.



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It usually never matters to a man what a woman makes, on the contrary; woman always prefer a wealthy man. It's that simple!
Dear Mr_Bubbles,

Yes, there are women like that but not ALL women. I know many, many women who did not marry for money, and none personally who did, but do hear of some in the news sometimes. Money is not even in my top 10 things I look for in a man.

Money is fleeting, it comes and goes. But traits in both genders like honesty, integrity, dependability, being hard working, showing kindness, treating others like they want to be treated, etc. are far more important than any amount of money.

Women, and men, who marry for money are usually quite disappointed and oftentimes, unhappy. Yet I personally know many who do not have much money but are really happily married, and I'm tallking marriages anywhere from 33 years to 63 years in length!

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