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"'abstinence only' sex education curriculum's" are only popular in religious schools or small town America, it relieves the parent of the responsibility of teaching sex education to their kids. Harvey7.
I thought you were the one who relieved parents of the responsibility of teaching sex education to their kids.

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Not her job, is she going to teach him how to put it on? That is the job of of a sexual educator in the public schools which teach both boys and girls how to have safe sex. Harvey7.
- October 28th, 2009, 02:39 am
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Not her job, is she going to teach him how to put it on? That is the job of of a sexual educator in the public schools which teach both boys and girls how to have safe sex. She can ask him if he has learned in sex education how to have safe sex?

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Seriously?!! As a parent, it is my responsibility to educate my children on safe sex.
- October 28th, 2009, 05:03 am
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Harvey7 wrote :
"'abstinence only' sex education curriculum's" are only popular in religious schools or small town America, it relieves the parent of the responsibility of teaching sex education to their kids. What city's or states are you making reference to? Do you have any experience in a U.S. Public School or are you just spouting off, like Henny Penny?

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Virtually all public school districts that accept federal funding (which is basically all public schools) adopted sex ed curriculums that emphasize "abstinence only," only mention birth control in passing, and cannot talk about abortion at all. I know this, I just went through it with my two teens, here in the USA. Those rules were put into place during the Bush administration. I am hopeful they will eventually be relaxed.

It doesn't matter whether it's "popular" or not, it's reality.... in school districts of all sizes, rural or urban.

Personally, I have talked to my kids about various aspects of sex and sexuality since they were in Kindergarten. It starts with "Where do babies come from?" progresses to all sorts of questions and issues at puberty, and then to the even tougher questions.

There are books available to help that are more comprehensive than most parents could ever talk about. There are also classes offered by Planned Parenthood and by churches. Not all churches teach "abstinence only." My kids went through a very comprehensive sex ed curriculum at a Unitarian church called "Our Whole Lives." It covered EVERYTHING and lasted weekly for 8 months. There are certain things a teen doesn't feel comfortable talking about in front of their parents, and so a class like that is very helpful.
- October 28th, 2009, 10:21 pm
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Virtually all public school districts that accept federal funding (which is basically all public schools) adopted sex ed curriculums that emphasize "abstinence only," only mention birth control in passing, and cannot talk about abortion at all. I know this, I just went through it with my two teens, here in the USA. Those rules were put into place during the Bush administration. I am hopeful they will eventually be relaxed.

It doesn't matter whether it's "popular" or not, it's reality.... in school districts of all sizes, rural or urban.

Personally, I have talked to my kids about various aspects of sex and sexuality since they were in Kindergarten. It starts with "Where do babies come from?" progresses to all sorts of questions and issues at puberty, and then to the even tougher questions.

There are books available to help that are more comprehensive than most parents could ever talk about. There are also classes offered by Planned Parenthood and by churches. Not all churches teach "abstinence only." My kids went through a very comprehensive sex ed curriculum at a Unitarian church called "Our Whole Lives." It covered EVERYTHING and lasted weekly for 8 months. There are certain things a teen doesn't feel comfortable talking about in front of their parents, and so a class like that is very helpful.
Please quote statue and verse or withdraw your statement. you are taking it out of context. It was U.S. Health Clinics that were forbidden to discuss Birth control, not public schools.

It would violate the first amendment to restrict the conversation in a public school.

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Harvey - WonderWoman is correct. Accepting that federal funding was contingent on adopting abstinance only curricula that did not allow discussion of the use of contraception methods (and certainly not demonstrations on their use or the distribution of condoms!).

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In 1996, the federal government attached a provision to a welfare reform law establishing a program of special grants to states for abstinence-only-until-marriage programs. The program, Title V, § 510(b) of the Social Security Act (now codified as 42 U.S.C), is commonly known as Title V. It created very specific requirements for grant recipients. Under this law, the term “abstinence education” means an educational or motivational program which:

*Has as its exclusive purpose teaching the social, psychological, and health gains to be realized by abstaining from sexual activity;

*Teaches abstinence from sexual activity outside marriage as the expected standard for all school-age children;

*Teaches that abstinence from sexual activity is the only certain way to avoid out-of-wedlock pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and other associated health problems;

*Teaches that a mutually faithful monogamous relationship in the context of marriage is the expected standard of sexual activity;

*Teaches that sexual activity outside of the context of marriage is likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects;

*Teaches that bearing children out of wedlock is likely to have harmful consequences for the child, the child’s parents, and society;

*Teaches young people how to reject sexual advances and how alcohol and drug use increase vulnerability to sexual advances, and

*Teaches the importance of attaining self-sufficiency before engaging in sexual activity.

Title V-funded programs were not permitted to advocate or discuss contraceptive methods except to emphasize their failure rates.

The program dedicated $50 million annually to be distributed among states choosing to participate. States accepting the funds were required to match every four federal dollars with three state-raised dollars. For the first five years of the initiative, every state but California participated in the program.
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In 2000, the federal government began another large program to fund abstinence education, Community-Based Abstinence Education (CBAE). CBAE became the largest federal abstinence-only funding source, with $115 million granted for fiscal year 2006. The CBAE awards bypass state governments, offering federal grants directly to state and local organizations that provide abstinence-only education programs. Many of these grantees are faith-based or small non-profit organizations, including crisis pregnancy centers, which use their grants to provide abstinence-only programs and services in local public and private schools and to community groups.
Obama's 2010 budget eliminated funding for these programs, so we'll have to see if that holds up.
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Harvey7 wrote :
It would violate the first amendment to restrict the conversation in a public school.

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Huh? The first amendment doesn't come into play at all here. Classroom instruction is not free speech, it's carrying out a job function. Teachers are paid to impart a certain curriculum, and if they decide to ignore that curriculum and do whatever they want they can be fired for not doing their job.
- October 29th, 2009, 03:19 pm
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Harvey7 wrote :
It would violate the first amendment to restrict the conversation in a public school.

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Actually, there are many conversations that are restricted in public schools. Think about the controversy between creationism & the big bang theory, banned books, etc. Teachers are in place to do a job which is educate according to state and federal standards. As cardguy said, deviation from this curriculum for any reason and particularly to teach personal opinions can be grounds for dismissal.
- October 29th, 2009, 08:23 pm
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It sooooo is her job. School, I am sure, has done it's bit, now she needs to be a parent and recognise her share of the responsibility ~ and she does so good for her.

Just buy the condoms. Leave them in his room. Mention it later, very briefly, say it's ok and you're there to talk to if he wants to. He knows what they are and how to use them (teenagers do). If they don't have the kind of relationship where she has been an active part of his sex education it will be awkward but not more awkward than dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.

I teach sex ed at elementary level. We try very hard to be as responsible as we can to ensure that the kids have as much information as they can handle in as factual a way as possible. We figure it keeps them safe. We neither promote sexual experimentation nor pass on any moral message as this would not be appropriate for state paid educators. I don't know the US curriculum but best practise is best practise. Then it really it is down to the parents to make sure that their offspring are prepared emotionally and practically before they start actually having sex.

We teach healthy eating but expect parents to cook the meals!
I LOVED this response !!! ESPECIALLY that last sentence . But then again , I had a second major / minor at CMU . I had a secondary of a human sexuality major / education minor going in college before I ran out of money , got too involved in the work a day world , and never made it back to the University . I am proud of you for teaching this important knowledge !
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