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I'm an older guy who suddenly realizes he has deep feelings for a much younger woman. Of course, it's complicated. This person I considered my best friend. I have worked with her for about 5 years I guess. She has been dating a guy who was possessive and didn't appreciate her. I really considered her my best friend and she broke up with the guy and moved to another city to continue her education and live with her parents. And when she put in a transfer to her her new job, it really hurt me.
But before she quit we went to a movie and had a few meals together. We were going to go watch another movie one night, but she had to go see her parents before we did this. I had called her all that day to confirm our plans, but she never called me back which upset me greatly. When I did finally catch up with her she had a new cell phone and gave me her new number. Later on she admitted she was upset with me because I was being possessive but I wasn't- just upset because she never returned my calls.
Well we got over this and I actually went to her new city on a date, I suppose confirming in her mind that I loved her.
But from all this I get the impression that she knows I care for her and she is playing games with me. I know this woman likes me as a friend, and I wonder why now she is treating me as a guy chasing her now instead of her friend for the last few years.
 
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I'm an older guy who suddenly realizes he has deep feelings for a much younger woman. Of course, it's complicated. This person I considered my best friend. I have worked with her for about 5 years I guess. She has been dating a guy who was possessive and didn't appreciate her. I really considered her my best friend and she broke up with the guy and moved to another city to continue her education and live with her parents. And when she put in a transfer to her her new job, it really hurt me.
But before she quit we went to a movie and had a few meals together. We were going to go watch another movie one night, but she had to go see her parents before we did this. I had called her all that day to confirm our plans, but she never called me back which upset me greatly. When I did finally catch up with her she had a new cell phone and gave me her new number. Later on she admitted she was upset with me because I was being possessive but I wasn't- just upset because she never returned my calls.
Well we got over this and I actually went to her new city on a date, I suppose confirming in her mind that I loved her.
But from all this I get the impression that she knows I care for her and she is playing games with me. I know this woman likes me as a friend, and I wonder why now she is treating me as a guy chasing her now instead of her friend for the last few years.
When you enter a business deal what is required to close the deal?
A meeting of the minds for both party's and mutual agreement. Do you think that your relationship has met that criteria? Because you go to another city for a date it does not confirm anything, but the date.
The whole romance or relationship is going on in your head and you have to communicate your feelings, but I suspect that you wasted five years by not speaking up so it maybe time to move on and find someone else?

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I'm an older guy who suddenly realizes he has deep feelings for a much younger woman. Of course, it's complicated. This person I considered my best friend. I have worked with her for about 5 years I guess. She has been dating a guy who was possessive and didn't appreciate her. I really considered her my best friend and she broke up with the guy and moved to another city to continue her education and live with her parents. And when she put in a transfer to her her new job, it really hurt me.
But before she quit we went to a movie and had a few meals together. We were going to go watch another movie one night, but she had to go see her parents before we did this. I had called her all that day to confirm our plans, but she never called me back which upset me greatly. When I did finally catch up with her she had a new cell phone and gave me her new number. Later on she admitted she was upset with me because I was being possessive but I wasn't- just upset because she never returned my calls.
Well we got over this and I actually went to her new city on a date, I suppose confirming in her mind that I loved her.
But from all this I get the impression that she knows I care for her and she is playing games with me. I know this woman likes me as a friend, and I wonder why now she is treating me as a guy chasing her now instead of her friend for the last few years.
Straight Shooter here to lay some unabashed truth on you. TB, let's be honest with one another, shall we? I don't buy for a Wyoming minute that you thought of her purely as a friend. Perhaps you thought she was out of your league or would otherwise be uninterested. Maybe it was easier to form a friendship due to the circumstances. But one thing is for absolute certain: You weren't being her friend. You were "waiting in line", pure and simple.

As much as some women try to feign ignorance to this angle, they know it all too well. They can tell the difference between a friend and a friend-zoner "waiting in line". They know damn well that a hetero, single man isn't going to volunteer as the shoulder to cry on, airport shuttle, free mover, etc. purely out of friendship. Many women go along with the ruse simply because they like the perks and added attention. No harm, no foul right?

But all too often men grow resentful after a while. They feel taken for granted that they're efforts aren't being reciprocated. Does any of this sound familiar?

I would hypothesize that the reason she distanced herself is because she could sense you weren't satisfied with the "arrangement" anymore (women are amazingly intuitive). As soon as you started acting like a disgruntled prom date, she started treating you like one, plain and simple.

If you really want her as a "friend", approach again once you find someone else. I have a feeling she'll be more open to the idea once she knows the "friendship" you pretended to pursue was actually genuine.

I beg your pardon if any of this comes across as harsh. But I tend to shoot straight, even if it hurts.

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Well said, Straight_shooter!
 
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Okay, I understand what you all are saying. But I don't agree. I did not hang around this person to date her. She was a good friend. We were friends based on the fact even though we had age differences, we liked the same things, books, movies and music. We discussed these things and we basically had the same outlook on life. Sure at first, I thought she was attractive. And she had dyed her hair and I knew she was a rebel as I am about certian things. So I got to know her as a person and we became friends. And after a while I forgot or didn't think of her as a pretty woman, just as a friend. I know that's hard to believe. Half the time I knew this girl, I had a major crush on someone else and you all can track that down on this site. This woman knows all about that crush.
She never really cried on my shoulder - sure she did tell me about her problems with her boyfriend but she never cried.
She was the one who suggested we go to the movies, not me from the start. And she knew that by not returning my calls it would upset me, because I had discussed it plenty of times with her about the woman I had a crush on. She was the one who wanted me to come visit her when she got settled into a new apartment and she was the one who wanted me to come see her in the new city. She is the one who wouldn't text me about her brother being in town the night we were suppose to go out until I got upset. She was breaking our date and woudn't give me a reason until I angrily texted her.
Believe me I am quite shy, and sure this woman is atractive but she iniated most of this. I would have expected two good friends to go out on dates just as friends until this young woman found her a man in her new city. If she thinks I wanted more and she doesn't want more then surely she would have thought this from the start when she asked me if I wanted to go a movie with her (that is, if women can sense that). Sorry it takes two to tango and believe me sometimes I have to be encouraged to dance and I want this woman to dance with me or for both of us to sit down.
 
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Harvey7 wrote :
When you enter a business deal what is required to close the deal?
A meeting of the minds for both party's and mutual agreement. Do you think that your relationship has met that criteria? Because you go to another city for a date it does not confirm anything, but the date.
The whole romance or relationship is going on in your head and you have to communicate your feelings, but I suspect that you wasted five years by not speaking up so it maybe time to move on and find someone else?

Harvey7.
First of all, I did not waste five years of my life waiting on this woman to break up with her boyfriend. We were friends during that time. No one seems to think a man and woman can talk as friends. This woman was dating this guy and I would have supposed they would have gotten married. In this time of my supposed wait I recieved no clue that this woman wanted to be nothing besides my friend. I recieved no clue that she was going to break up with her boyfriend. I enjoyed talking to this woman because she had a freakin' brain. If talking to someone for five years because you enjoy intelligent conversation is a crime, please lock me up. If fact this is what pains me. Maybe I only love this person as a friend because I enjoyed her intelligence and humor so much and that is what I miss now. I do not understand why this young person whom I have built up a friendship over matters of the brain seems to me basing our relationship over games. I know she wants to continue our friendship. I know that I mean something to her. I would have supposed two FRIENDS would have mutually arranged a date. It just seems to me just before she broke up with her boyfriend that I became a guy. And I was never a guy to her before. She made comments about guys my age chasing her and I never did.
 
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I'm an older guy who suddenly realizes he has deep feelings for a much younger woman. Of course, it's complicated. This person I considered my best friend. I have worked with her for about 5 years I guess. She has been dating a guy who was possessive and didn't appreciate her. I really considered her my best friend and she broke up with the guy and moved to another city to continue her education and live with her parents. And when she put in a transfer to her her new job, it really hurt me.
But before she quit we went to a movie and had a few meals together. We were going to go watch another movie one night, but she had to go see her parents before we did this. I had called her all that day to confirm our plans, but she never called me back which upset me greatly. When I did finally catch up with her she had a new cell phone and gave me her new number. Later on she admitted she was upset with me because I was being possessive but I wasn't- just upset because she never returned my calls.
Well we got over this and I actually went to her new city on a date, I suppose confirming in her mind that I loved her.
But from all this I get the impression that she knows I care for her and she is playing games with me. I know this woman likes me as a friend, and I wonder why now she is treating me as a guy chasing her now instead of her friend for the last few years.
Maybe she's treating you as a guy chasing her now because you're acting like a guy chasing her now. From the things you've said, it's not clear to me that she sees this as a romantic relationship. Take it easy and don't try to push her.
 
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In all honesty, I don't think your initial post sounded like you had been waiting in the wings all this time. The sense I got was that now that she's single, you suddenly started to see her differently.

I think one of two things is happening. Either she has sensed that your intentions are different than in the past, and she is reacting to you differently. Or, she is behaving in the same way as in the past, but because of your newly-recognized feelings you are reacting differently. (Perhaps a cancellation to see a movie is more upsetting to you when you think about it as a 'date' than when it was simply two friends hanging out).

I suggest you assess if your own reactions have changed. And, if you are interested in something other than dating, you need to make that clear to her, and let her decide if that feeling is mutual.

I don't think there's anything inherently right or wrong with dating someone who was formerly just a friend, but both people have to be on the same page - and you need to be honest with yourselves and each other. Otherwise it's just going to be awkward.
 
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In all honesty, I don't think your initial post sounded like you had been waiting in the wings all this time. The sense I got was that now that she's single, you suddenly started to see her differently.

I think one of two things is happening. Either she has sensed that your intentions are different than in the past, and she is reacting to you differently. Or, she is behaving in the same way as in the past, but because of your newly-recognized feelings you are reacting differently. (Perhaps a cancellation to see a movie is more upsetting to you when you think about it as a 'date' than when it was simply two friends hanging out).

I suggest you assess if your own reactions have changed. And, if you are interested in something other than dating, you need to make that clear to her, and let her decide if that feeling is mutual.

I don't think there's anything inherently right or wrong with dating someone who was formerly just a friend, but both people have to be on the same page - and you need to be honest with yourselves and each other. Otherwise it's just going to be awkward.
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So, be careful. You could be foresaking your friendship for more. But it's up to you and her.

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In all honesty, I don't think your initial post sounded like you had been waiting in the wings all this time. The sense I got was that now that she's single, you suddenly started to see her differently.

I think one of two things is happening. Either she has sensed that your intentions are different than in the past, and she is reacting to you differently. Or, she is behaving in the same way as in the past, but because of your newly-recognized feelings you are reacting differently. (Perhaps a cancellation to see a movie is more upsetting to you when you think about it as a 'date' than when it was simply two friends hanging out).

I suggest you assess if your own reactions have changed. And, if you are interested in something other than dating, you need to make that clear to her, and let her decide if that feeling is mutual.

I don't think there's anything inherently right or wrong with dating someone who was formerly just a friend, but both people have to be on the same page - and you need to be honest with yourselves and each other. Otherwise it's just going to be awkward.
Sorry, that bolded part was supposed say "if you are interested in something other than friendship".

Now that it's been quoted I didn't feel right just editing it in my original post
 
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