my husband cheated and won't give her up


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bekka74 is offline bekka74 Post #11  October 8,2009, 10:37am
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How do I say this...........RUN....RUN FAST...RUN FAR....DON'T LOOK BACK!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel better now. My ex and I met when I was 18 and him 23. I stuck around for 16 years. I regreat it! I lost friends, I lost self esteem, I lost myself, and worse is my child has said that she wished that I had left her dad years ago because she didnt know that I could actually be a happy person. My ex cheated repeatedly, while he was in trade school he told everyone he was a single father, and when he found the "right" woman told me he loved her but could he still live with me till things worked out for them. I asked for counsling, he asked for a divorce. When I filed after therapy for myself and daughter, he showed up at the house with a shotgun and the next day tried to kill himself with it. That was in Feb, he now lives with a girl 10 years his junior( that he knew when she was 8 and him 18). I hope I never have to see him again. My friends told me to leave but I didn't want the relationship to fail, because in my mind if it failed then so did I. I'm begging you to listen to the people here. Listen to me and leave. You are better then this! You desearve to be loved and appriciated! You are a worthy person! Learn from this and please leave. He told you what he really thought of your marraige when you found his hidden e-mail. It will be hard but yo are worth it. Do it for you not him! Oh and my eyes really opened when I made a list of reason to stay verse reason to leave. I stopped when the reason to leave hit 30 and the reasons to stay were 5. Do this, see things in black and white!
 
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Yes, I'm with the others. You deserve better than this and you are doing neither yourself nor him any favors by sending the message that it's OK to treat you this way. Go see a counselor so that the two of you can map out a plan. I hope he will go with you and work on your marriage, but if he doesn't; you cannot continue to allow him to treat you as though you have so little value.

Adultery is about more than sex. He took a marriage vow to "forsake all others" (romantically), and whether or not he's having sex with this online liason, he's violating his vows by his continued focus on her. It's sleazy, it's wrong, and it most certainly is something you don't deserve.
 
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Harvey7 wrote :
Interesting you've gone from being his hard headed girl friend to his wife and now turned into his "Neurotic Mother" type person. You are no longer the loving trusting and caring wife that you once were?. Why do you think that happened? It happened long before he became infatuated with his new friend. The change in you left a void to be filled by his fantasy lady.

I would suggest that you find a therapist for yourself to regain the missing self control and diginity that you've lost along the way. After you regain self control then start couples counseling. That's it no short cuts.

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You can't know that. You're speculating so as to put all the responsibility on her. Regardless of what she did or didn't do, cheating (i.e. going outside your marriage to have intimacy needs met) is an inappropriate response. Period. And making excuses for cheating or trying to color it as "friends" indicates to me that he would no more be a successful candidate for couples counseling than my doorstop.
 
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I don't know what to do anymore. I knew that my marriage was in trouble. My husband and I got married when we were only 19 years old and we've been together since we were 16. Everyone told us that we were too young. They were right, but we refused to listen cuz we were crazy 4 eachother. We had some huge problems with communication. Really huge. I didn't understand that things were as bad as they were.

About a year ago, he met this woman online. They started a romantic relationship. I only just found out about it four months ago when I looked at his e-mail. I did some digging and discovered that he had put more effort into this online affair than he ever did with his marriage. His MARRIAGE! He says she had no idea that he was even married, she was a wonderful person and so on and so forth. I decided to forgive him and work on our marriage. She was furious and refused to speak to him and I thought we were moving on. Then a friend of my husband told me that my husband had been talking to him about this woman, saying that he truly loves her?

He has been working on fixing things by spending more time with me and things like that, but a couple of weeks after I found out he actually asked me for permission to contact her again and try to be her friend. He swore that all he wanted was platonic friendship. I said no, of course. I've been saying no more than once, and every time he lays low for 2-3 weeks and then tries to contact her. He's been saying to me that it wasn't even an affair, since it was never sexual. Sure, he only told her he loved her, wrote her love letters and music and dreamed out loud about a life with her. I read their chats. I made him give me all his passwords and I check the logs on our computer, so that he wouldn't be able to get in touch with her without me knowing.

Earlier today he slipped up. I checked the log and I discovered that he has an e-mail addy that I didn't know about. I guess he's been running it in privacy mode so that it didn't go into the logs. I managed to guess the password. He set up this thing for the single purpose of chatting and e-mailing with this woman. There were over 100 e-mails and chats in there. He's been telling ME that it wasn't even an affair and refuses to even talk about it much, just wants me to get over it, but there he is BEGGING her to forgive him for the lies he told HER. I couldn't find any evidence there that there's anything sexual/romantic going on. She tells him that she's not going to cross any lines with him. But if he only wants to be her FRIEND, then why is he sneaking around? And if he only saw her as a FRIEND, surely he wouldn't be risking his MARRIAGE to talk to a FRIEND?!?

I want my marriage to work. Do you think he will ever give this woman up? I still feel like he's having an affair, even if they're not doing anything. Do you think my husband is in love with her????? Doyou think I can trust him to not try anything with her????? I'm so scared of losing my marriage and I don't know what to do. He's out working the late shift and I have no idea what to do when he comes home in the morning. I really don't want to leave him. Actually, I've decided that I won't. But I'm not sure what I am going to do.
I'm not a big fan of tough love but I think you could use a good dose of it to wake you up to the reality of your situation.

* You have lost your marriage whether you want to admit it or not. At least the one as you knew it.

* I don't know what good any advice would be at this point when you have already come to your own conclusion as to what you want to do.

* Couples therapy only works when both sides are willing to admit that both sides have a problem. He sees nothing wrong with his actions and you think being a human watchdog is an acceptable way to continue on in this "relationship" Men and women are born with free will and he has put his desires above you and your relationship.

* I suggest you look over those green parts of your post. He is having an emotional affair which will or to my strong intuition has already flourished into a physical one. A woman's words alone can't get a man that worked up without him dipping his spoon into her cooking pot.

I hope you get mad and offended at this post. You have the right to be mad, but not so much at me, but at your lack of courage to stand up for yourself. To see that you are worthy and strong enough to stand on your own and take the steps you need to take as a human being to form healthy relationships that support your needs and goals in life. There are agencies and support groups out there for when you are ready to take that leap of faith...in yourself.
 
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You can't know that. You're speculating so as to put all the responsibility on her. Regardless of what she did or didn't do, cheating (i.e. going outside your marriage to have intimacy needs met) is an inappropriate response. Period. And making excuses for cheating or trying to color it as "friends" indicates to me that he would no more be a successful candidate for couples counseling than my doorstop.
She has no control over her hubby, his girl friend, the computer and finally she has lost control of her life and herself. My advise is to regain your self control and dignity and utilize the services of a therapist. Once she has regained her self control she then can decide on a course of action with a professional guiding her. Do you have a better suggestions Monkey Face?

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She has no control over her hubby, his girl friend, the computer and finally she has lost control of her life and herself. My advise is to regain your self control and dignity and utilize the services of a therapist. Once she has regained her self control she then can decide on a course of action with a professional guiding her. Do you have a better suggestions Monkey Face?

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Completely agree with your advice that she get therapy. Disagree with how you stated it, as though she created the problem. She did not. Her self-control did not create the issue. His cheating did.

My suggestion is that when only one person is working on a marriage, the marriage isn't working. What she decides to do about that is up to her. But the unfortunate place in which she finds her self is in no way the result of her actions. It's the result of his lack of character.
 
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Completely agree with your advice that she get therapy. Disagree with how you stated it, as though she created the problem. She did not. Her self-control did not create the issue. His cheating did.

My suggestion is that when only one person is working on a marriage, the marriage isn't working. What she decides to do about that is up to her. But the unfortunate place in which she finds her self is in no way the result of her actions. It's the result of his lack of character.

When you spend hours searching the web to catch your husband and his girl friend playing games and then you break into his accounts looking for secret e mail accounts two things have happened. (1) She has lost her self control and (2) She has lost her dignity. With out those items your out of control and have lost yourself. Except for herself there is not much that she can control.

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I can't belive you're still with him!
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I've dumped men just because I suspected they might cheat in the future! I'm too sexy and awesome for that nonsense and I won't fight for a man unless there is a trophy involved...

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Tatalia is offline Tatalia Post #19  October 9,2009, 7:04am
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I think parts of what makes this so hard to handle is that he's never been anything other than a really great guy. I'm 100% sure that he's never done anything like this before. I know that sounds nuts cuz of what he's doing now, but its what i knw in my heart. He's got so much integrity and such strong principles about everything else. This just seems so crazy out of character for him. I don't understand why she's so important to him. I know that they never did anything sexual, cuz I read all their chats since day 1 when I first found out. I went through his whole computer. Also cuz we had a very religious upbringing, we both don't believe in meaningless sex. We both believe that our marriage is sacred and that divorce is a sin, so I really do not want to divorce him, cuz I feel that would be wrong in the eyes of God.

How do I get him to give her up and work on us, though? I'm so scared that he'll leave me.
 
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Tatalia wrote :
I think parts of what makes this so hard to handle is that he's never been anything other than a really great guy. I'm 100% sure that he's never done anything like this before. I know that sounds nuts cuz of what he's doing now, but its what i knw in my heart. He's got so much integrity and such strong principles about everything else. This just seems so crazy out of character for him. I don't understand why she's so important to him. I know that they never did anything sexual, cuz I read all their chats since day 1 when I first found out. I went through his whole computer. Also cuz we had a very religious upbringing, we both don't believe in meaningless sex. We both believe that our marriage is sacred and that divorce is a sin, so I really do not want to divorce him, cuz I feel that would be wrong in the eyes of God.

How do I get him to give her up and work on us, though? I'm so scared that he'll leave me.

He's already left, girl.
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